To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

@Thomasinaa - it's the volume of letters not the content that would make the impact.

Thomasinaa. I think you'll find it's both, sadly.

I agree that it's volume of letters. Some minion is unlikely to even read them.

whosafraidofabigduckfart David Gauke has already suggested that UK prisoners out on licence could pick fruit and veg.

www.hortweek.com/ex-prisoners-fill-gaps-farm-labour-says-minister/fresh-produce/article/1465943

If prisoners are used presumably farmers will pay the state ( not the prisoners) and security will be provided?

Most prisoners are hard core. 70% of custodial sentences are imposed on those with at least seven previous convictions or cautions. 50% are imposed on those with at least 15 previous convictions or cautions.

The prisoners idea is completely ridiculous. Quite apart form the morality and the security issues where is the incentive for any prisoner to work? What use is it to farmers to have a labour force that doesn't want to be there and will presumably go at the slowest pace possible?

I understand it is exceedingly complicated and the difference between upland sheep farmers in Wales or Nothern England is nothing like the experience of those owning huge swathes of land in East Anglia.
When the cost of milk in the shops is below what it reasonably costs to 'make' it there is something wrong.

I thought the idea of prisoners working the land would come up. I'll put money on somebody suggesting some sort of national service for young people as well.

Here's how we are going to "control our borders" Yvette Cooper's face at the end is priceless:

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1057324386959716352

kenndodd at least it means I get to post a picture of my favourite road sign ever.

We get milk from a local supplier- he has told us that milk prices have to increase now because farmers have had to buy in feed for cattle to replace the winter feed they have had to dip into because of the extremely hot weather this year. They weren't able to grow enough feed for the winter stash, as it were.
I wonder if this will be reflected in supermarket prices or the ones who supply the supermarkets will have their nonexistent margins squeezed even more.
You could see the feed growing problem developing all summer as farmers clearly couldn't grow more than one feed crop either fir themselves or to sell.

It's not hysterical to say farmers are going to be hammered is it.

• The suggestion for replacing the rejected EU agricultural workers is to use criminals who have committed repeat offences.
•Farmers will also lose the €25.1 billion in direct CAP payments and €2.6 billion in rural environmental development funding ( 2014-2020 figures).The Gov will only keep the same support for farmers until 2022.
• Then there's much higher tariffs on dairy, animal and cereal than other products.

But it will be ok because Gove is in charge of farmers now , teaching them to improve their productivity apparently.

Could you imagine how different things would be if Yvette Cooper had won the Labour leadership contest? She would've ripped the Tories to shreds.

The unemployment rate in the UK is 4% (as at June 2018) so there isn’t a shortage of people to cover the farming seasonal work previously undertaken by European workers.

I could just see the Government introducing a scheme to ask young people to work on the land for a couple of years, in return for free college/university tuition. If it applied to all social classes, it might be good. Imagine how a lazy so and so like Johnson would have fared with two years working crop picking.

Could you imagine how different things would be if Yvette Cooper had won the Labour leadership contest? She would've ripped the Tories to shreds.

^this.

I admire her tenacity and conviction in staying on under the disaster that is jeremy corbyn.

Johnson and his pals would have done great because he would have been at university for those two years, getting a leg up over the poor students who would have to be toiling in the fields to hopefully get their fees paid in the end (provided that life did not get in the way, since anything lots can change in two years). Unless it was made a mandatory requirement for university entry, which it wouldn't, this is what would happen, rich kids getting their fees paid and enjoying the student life while low income ones were picking fruit. Now that seems like a real blast from the past...

I can't imagine how anyone could think that such hare-brained schemes to patch up holes in the economy would be better than an actual system that works at so many levels (mind you, I didn't say it's perfect, but certainly better than this). Oh wait, blue passports!

I'm safely on the continent with a nice safe passport (not blue) in my pocket so I'm not facing the worst of the shit storm in March but I really do worry, I wouldn't wish what's coming on my worst enemy.

@HPFA @bellinisurge
I think this has confirmed what we already know that the government is woefully lacking and is seriously underprepared for what’s about to happen. The look on Yvette Coppers face spoke for all of us.

What is infuriating is that other countries such as Ireland are making more preparations for Brexit than we are. The are actively advertising on TV and radio that businesses should be preparing. Enterprise Ireland are helping businesses to prepare with a grant scheme of up to €5,000.

www.prepareforbrexit.com

We are the ones that will suffer the most upheaval but yet we are the least prepared

The government thinks that if we don't talk about preparation it'll all be fine. Like a teenager planning to tantrum their way out of a problem

Could you imagine how different things would be if Yvette Cooper had won the Labour leadership contest? She would've ripped the Tories to shreds

Wouldn't matter, the media wouldn't report it, either in the main news bulletins or front pages.
Corbyn maybe an ineffectual but he and others have done well against the Governments front bench and it goes unreported.

Can you imagine the field day the MSM would be having if Labour were in Government/in charge of Brexit and in the same mess?

Instead we ve a Gov tamed media, frightened to report what is happening.

Ah yes taking back control of our sub-optimal borders , yay ! Its all going to be fine though, because although they have no idea what is going to happen, Border control and HMRC are going to be able to pull out of their hat at the last possible minute a plan, tadaaah !

Or not …..

The unemployment rate in the UK is 4% (as at June 2018) so there isn’t a shortage of people to cover the farming seasonal work previously undertaken by European workers.

4% is probably almost as close to full employment as we're ever likely to get without introducing forced labour.

What percentage of that 4% do you think:
a) Are employable, and
b) fit to do heavy manual work, and
c) in a position to travel to, and live in, the rural areas where they're needed?

A single parent with 3 kids living in Glasgow, or a 58 year-old alcoholic living in Blackpool, isn't likely to be much use to a farmer wanting his leeks harvested in Norfolk.