To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/31/eu-prepares-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-lack-of-progress-on-talks

The EU is preparing for a no deal but little planning in the UK for what is going to happen.

I'm sure the Norfolk farmers will be delighted to get the legions of alcoholic 50+ Glaswegians picking leeks bussed in Nice

I was using an earlier example, I didn't mean to entrench a stereotype, sorry. I just meant that clearly farmers want competent, willing workers. A 50+ alcoholic or a single mother of 3 living 300 miles away are unlikely to be their choice labour pool.

When the cost of milk in the shops is below what it reasonably costs to 'make' it there is something wrong. Yep

I quite like the end of the Guardian article where it says that the UK could apply to rejoin but would most likely lose the rebate.
After a few months (a year or so) of being 'out' there may be a possibility that the UK will have grown up enough to actually join in properly.
This assumes the magic unicorns haven't arrived of course.
The ratings agency S+P suggesting it may take another 10 years to get back to where the UK was in 2008 (if I understand this correctly) might be persuasive as it seems to imply another 5 years or so of austerity is on the cards.

If/when everything goes 'tits up' in March, quite a lot of re evaluation will be going on 'nation wide'. I am sure ex investment bankers could cut broccoli if they tried hard enough. I don't remember fields being air conditioned so they may wish to put a jumper on.

It amuses me to read all these comments about agriculture when usually people don't give a shit about us farmers. Brexit is very worrying but as usual the sneering tone persists

Although not a farmer myself (I don't think 'borrowing' 2 cows counts) several family members were involved in the past. For most it is a vocation and they are certainly not in it for the money.
With a bit of luck the Brexit shock will focus a few minds as imported produce gets rather more expensive.

I don't think the general public really appreciate that 40% of the EU budget was spent on agriculture and rural development.
Are the voting public likely to support the same level of spending post Brexit on farming, when we have the NHS, education, defence, prisons, transport, social care and so on all queuing up for a bit of the mythical windfall?
Things are going to change, and it will be the UK that suffers.

I don't think the general public really appreciate that 40% of the EU budget was spent on agriculture and rural development.

I think the information was there but people chose to ignore it because of the ‘I’m alright Jack’ mentality in this country. Who cares about farmers and rural communities? Who cares about NI?

The whole thing is a lesson small mindedness and a failure to join the dots ans see the bigger picture.

Back in time. Nutshell.
I'm English,went to school in Aberdeen when my family lived there 81/83.My autumn holidays were spent picking taties,7quid for a 10 hour day (I was 11) Hard work!
I moved to Spain at 18 and learned what real hard work is,no benefits.Work or starve.
Now I still live in Spain and travel to to the UK as a live in care assistant,working self employed for 4 to 6 weeks at a time,then 2 weeks home in Spain.
I heard the brexit result in the UK on training update at 5am while sharing a room with a polish colleague(our room looked onto a newsagent,we heard the delivery van's radio)My friend burst into tears,I tried to reassure her.
I thought it ironic that we sat there watching the folks with their waxed jackets and their Labradors going along to vote to rid the UK of the people that they will probably depend upon in the next few years.
The care sector will suffer,I'm really worried about it.
On another note, there's been news in Spain for the past 2 days about medicine shortages in the pharmacies here.Its apparently Ibuprofen,paracetamol and the like.They are saying that its because of Brexit,that the UK pays more to the wholesalers,the demand is there(stockpiling?).So they're selling to the UK and leaving Spanish pharmacies without.
I don't know if this is the truth,heard it from pharmacists.Will do some research and post a link if I can.

Although it is more complicated than a simple slogan but if you want to eat you need to work.

Welcome to Nazi Germany where they targetted 'useless eaters' i.e. people who were unable to work for various reasons. A civilised society should look after its old, and sick.

I don't think the general public really appreciate that 40% of the EU budget was spent on agriculture and rural development
My teens (who did GCSE Geography) have never heard of the Common Agricultural Policy which we covered in O level Geography. I live in an area where Leave won by a couple of percent and when I bring up food prices increasing, people look really confused. They have no idea about farming subsidies or that our food is general is very cheap and the cheaper end of the spectrum will be made with meat and packaging elsewhere because that's the cheapest.
I've never lived rurally in the UK so no idea about rural funding but I know that the EU funds academic research.

news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-refuses-to-guarantee-medicine-supply-under-no-deal-brexit-11540946

In Parker231's link, Matt Hancock says that the UK is making plans for stockpiling drugs and medicines and that the tender has been issued for warehousing.

Which is all very well, except that the devil is in the detail.

Nissan, Toyota, BMW and every JIT manufacturer in the UK have also planned to stockpile components; so they need warehouses and have probably already signed contracts for them.

Sainsburys, Tesco, Morrisons and every food wholesaler and producer also need warehouses, as they have been planning for disruptions in the food supply chain. They will of course also have secured their warehouses already - particularly any cold stores that are vital for perishable goods.

Which means that what few warehouses that were available will have been spoken for long ago. Given that there is not much empty warehouse capacity available anyway, and very little in the way of cold storage for perishable medicines, the government seems to have completely missed the seriousness of the situation.

Finally, stockpiling is only a temporary solution. Six-weeks worth of food or drugs only alleviates the problem for six weeks. Unless there is a lasting solution which means that supplies return to normal fairly quickly, all that will happen is that the UK runs out of medicine and food in mid-May instead of at the end of March.

cax thats interesting. There's been recent prescription med shortages here, not to bad but a wait to pick up the whole prescriptions.

parker

A friend on Facebook sent me this!

With a bit of luck the Brexit shock will focus a few minds as imported produce gets rather more expensive. That's what I think. In the 60's and 70's the Clyde Valley had a lot of tomato producers and gradually they all went out of business. Perhaps that will reverse now. Just a small example. At the moment everything is pure speculation.

I am guessing that a 10 percent price hike will bring UK food prices somewhere near what they currently are in Europe, it fels pretty expensive here. Porrige oats are about £2 a kilo in France for 'ordinary' sort of quality for example.

Some of the car manufacturers and Airbus have over capacity, going into a bit of a global decline/tension, so for a few it may just be 'game over' after their 2 or 4 week 'maintainance shutdown' period.

quite like the end of the Guardian article where it says that the UK could apply to rejoin but would most likely lose the rebate.

Am sure I heard in the news recently that the EU are planning on getting rid of any rebates in the next EU budget so we may have lost ours anyway even if we hadn't had a referendum or remain had won

I have a feeling that if the UK had asked nicely that it could have negotiated and retained the rebates. That however will now be off completely I would expect.

Besides which, when we joined we were the sick man of Europe. Once the East European countries joined, with the encouragement of the UK, their economies after decades of communist control were much sicker.

news.sky.com/story/amp/plans-to-rescue-britons-stranded-in-no-deal-brexit-flight-disruption-11541160

Rescue flights - what next! Although not sure how they will get around the lack of Open Skies Agreement.

Panic over.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/raab-expects-brexit-deal-within-three-weeks-tclbrmqdn