To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

[whyispeppainthenightgarden]

I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

I wonder how it will work - I made up an email address, will someone be bombarded with stuff from Tory home?

How much of UK innovation is done in collaboration with other EU countries or parties ? How much of that innovation has received funding or investment from EU sources ?

Sorry about previous waffly posts, am blaming the sauce

What I don't understand is why the UK cant just stay in the CU and SM and the government impose the controls on FOM that it could have done previously ? This sounds far more sensible and achievable than trying to upgrade 11 systems to make our borders work in less than 5 months.

Oh and don't give me the old chestnut about not having any say, because I thought we were leaving because we had no say ?

because SM rules do not allow countries to properly control their borders

What I don't understand is why the UK cant just stay in the CU and SM and the government impose the controls on FOM that it could have done previously ?

I think that would be a bespoke option, which isn't on the table. I suspect it might have been if May etc. hadn't started out so belligerently, and hadn't been so keen to appease her right wing. The right wing who want nothing to do with the EU whilst moving their money there and buying or claiming EU passports.

Can you explain what you mean by properly threetrees , it sounds as though if we end up with a no deal or even a crap deal we are going to struggle massively with border issues anyway. Also I was talking in relation to a transition period which would need to be extended obviously.

FOM , re SM rules, mean that an EU citizen can technically be deported if they are unemployed after 3 months - but they can't be arbitarily blocked from coming to UK in the first place , ie. not 'proper' border control

and many border issues like this face potential sanction in regards to the holy SM, hence not proper border control

But we don't want to stop people from coming to the UK from the EU do we ? threetrees

I'm not in the least bit hysterical, except with laughter. I'm safely on the right side of the channel

@Mistigirl - why would you be laughing at the prospect of 16 million former EU citizens who voted remain facing economic hardship or not being able to access their medication?

frumpety: sure we do want to reduce EU immigration to UK - because it has reached absurd levels in recent years, hence immediate border control is needed

this was the main driving force for Brexit in the first place

toby: who are these 16 million you refer to?

and have you never heard of private health insurance..

"For some complex manufacturing, parts go back and forward between the UK and the rest of the EU multiple times

Why is this necessary? I thought we were worried about fossil fuels and global warming. Who designed systems that require all this transportation."

There is no green argument for leaving the EU. If we end up doing our trade with America and Commonwealth countries, our carbon footprint would be MUCH higher.

Companies like Airbus need to fly their parts around their different bases.

"I can’t see other countries In the case of a no deal letting diabetes ( using the example of insulin) die unnecessarily which is basically what is being suggested"

We let people in developing countries die of all sorts of conditions they don't have the money to treat so I'm not so sure about that.

But that has already happened , there has been a massive decline in EU immigration since 2016, so you got what you wanted. All the government needs to do now is sort out the controls as other EU countries do and Bobs your uncle , issue sorted

No need for all this messy leaving malarkey

we need to leave to regain border control, as membership of the SM does not allow for that.

FOM , re SM rules, mean that an EU citizen can technically be deported if they are unemployed after 3 months - but they can't be arbitarily blocked from coming to UK in the first place

Why would we actually need that?
Also most tourist visas in other countries (taking US as an example) allow for 3 month stays. The 3 month window to find work isn't random and not particularly generous you know.
Or are you proposing to let no tourists in?

we need to leave to regain border control,

Have you travelled across a UK border recently? In what respect was that border not "controlled"?

@threetrees
I take it reducing immigration is your top priority trees. How much are you will to pay to achieve that, is any price worth it? I do know plenty of Leavers who would pay absolutely any price to stop immigrants coming here. Mass job losses are just an unfortunate but necessary price.

Threetrees is being deliberately goady. Everyone can travel to any country in the world, as long as they have the correct documentation and are not 'wanted' as a criminal. Since the EU has harmonised regulations around travel it makes it particularly convenient, especially for businesses which have employees in many member countries. This is obviously far beyond Threetrees comprehension.

We have border control. And we can reimpose restrictions on FOM . Right now.
If you are concerned about unchecked lorries and goods coming in (this doesn't happen, btw, you need the right paperwork), it's going to be a bloody free for all after 29 March because we will be so desperate to get stuff in, will charge no tariffs and will be waving all sorts of unchecked shit through (and unchecked lorries) tostop UK people from running out of food.
If I was a people smuggler, I would be looking to the unchecked chaos post 29 March.
Or it won't be unchecked and all inward freight will seize up.

@SitdownToby

Uh, congrats on the out of context quote 

My "hysterical" comment was clearly in relation to the comedy value of a Conservative(!) government seriously considering operating nationalised ferries and then, as if that wasn't slapstick enough, giving the job of running them to Chris Grayling.

The consequences would not be funny at all.

@DaphneduM So has there never been any Nobel winners from outside Europe? Does the USA not do cutting edge research?

So threetrees immigration has reduced massively since 2016 so you got what you hoped to achieve by voting leave, why continue on with causing significant negative impact to the country you live in ?