To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

Sorry that should have read EU immigration, non EU immigration is making up the shortfall

And of course it is worth noting that immigration figures to the UK often include those who are here to study.

But then the biggest Brexit hysteria was that surrounding immigration.

I'm feeling a lot happier about Brexit now I know we will get a novelty 50p!!

If I can be arsed, I might take it into the bank and ask them to swap it for a real one. Unless they are what you use to claim your unicorn. I'd love a unicorn.

I know we gave chosen this so are doing this to ourselves. But I can’t see for example if we have no insulin like it’s being suggested that other countries would just go no deal so sod it all the diabetics in the uk can die - because that’s basically what is being suggested.

Are you actually advocating a position where we make no contingency plans but wait until people are dying in the hope that other countries will bail us out? That is madness. Countries without an active insulin manufacturing base all maintain stockpiles on insulin. This is completely normal but isn't something we have had to do because we are/were part of the EU, with free movement and sales.

The European Banking Agency and the European Medicines agency (ie the bodies which made the rule for all finances and all medicines development were based in the Uk and heavily influenced by the UK. We are losing all our buying power and flexibility/ability to influence policy with all our nearest neighbours. Of course they aren't obligated to help us out. The prices of imported goods from or travelling via Europe will go up. We lose our voice on policy making in every area within Europe as a whole. Why on earth would any EU country be likely to help us out against their own best interest?

This isn't doom-mongering. It's just fact. It's what the country voted for and of course we will be fine once we have sorted everything out, but for you to suggest that we shouldn't be putting contingency in place to protect ourselves and our county in the short/medium term is frankly bonkers.

Ah yes, knowingly doing something stupid and then begging for help because the consequences of that stupidity hit you with a bang. That's a great idea.
Other countries have their own problems and financial difficulties, why should they jump in and help us if we are up shit creek.
Do we do it for other countries? Oh, wait, wasn't foreign aid a bad thing?

quietrebel writes 'Why would we actually need that?
Also most tourist visas in other countries (taking US as an example) allow for 3 month stays. The 3 month window to find work isn't random and not particularly generous you know.
Or are you proposing to let no tourists in?'

this is totally deliberat mixup

toursit visa have nothing to do with it

they don't allow you to work

and many countries give you a lot less than 3months

and sure, yes, we do want to be able to CONTROL OUR OWN BORDERS - free from EU rules, the main driver of Brexit

So threetrees immigration has reduced massively since 2016 so you got what you hoped to achieve by voting leave, why continue on with causing significant negative impact to the country you live in ?

because we haven't left yet and we don't want immigration levels to go back up again

Now don't understand what you are talking about @threetrees . Hope you're having a lovely day, though.

because we haven't left yet and we don't want immigration levels to go back up again

Look forward then to seeing your family fruit picking, working in care homes, all the other jobs that UK citizens either don't want to do, or physically can't do.

so are you saying then, that those jobs are the ones that immigrants should do?

Your construction threetrees. With an elderly population many in the UK are physically incapable of doing such jobs. Immigrants are usually younger and able bodied, which is why they can do the jobs. Which of course, is why they are net contributors and not a drain on the NHS. But there is no point in telling you all this, it's well known.

Note I said EU immigration has reduced but that non EU immigration is making up the shortfall. Difficult to blame the EU on non EU immigration , but I don't have a busy day planned so happy to wait for threetrees to come up with a reason to blame the EU !

peregrina: seeing as those low pay jobs have to submit virtually no income tax and often get in-work bens, how is that a gain?

the fault there lies with the liberal govts of Conservative and Labour parties

So, @threetrees , which is your preferred party?

But the percentage of EU nationals who are claiming benefits is very small indeed.

many get in-work benefits, so same thing

Good news is that we have loads of fit healthy young British people to do seasonal work and they are queuing up to do it.

I agree actually that teenagers looking for part time jobs are quite capable of picking fruit and would probably love the dosh. My first job ever was on a bog footing turf.

What's the reason British people don't want to do those jobs though? Usually because they're badly paid. Logically, that would mean employers would have to either attract alternative staff (student fruit pickers) or pay more and offer better conditions (care staff).

The possibility of wages rising and the gap between rich and poor decreasing is a real one. But most remainers are in the AB social groups and they just don't want it to happen. Poorer people getting richer means they will get poorer. Instead of keeping their parent's estates intact by paying Eastern European peanuts to do the caring they don't want to do, they might actually have to pay a living wage and not inherit full whack.

For all their left wing pretensions, remainers are very much invested in using EU migration to protect their wealth and keep those uppity gammon working classes in their place so they don't get any ideas about living wages or decent conditions or rights.

What's the reason British people don't want to do those jobs though? Usually because they're badly paid.

Good luck finding local people to do jobs in rural areas with aging populations.

they might actually have to pay a living wage and not inherit full whack.

Nothing stopping corporations paying living wages or paying their fair share of tax now, rather than blaming remainers who are, in the main, just ordinary people.

For all their left wing pretensions, remainers are very much invested in using EU migration to protect their wealth and keep those uppity gammon working classes in their place so they don't get any ideas about living wages or decent conditions or rights.

Its almost as if unions don't exist isn't it? Remember now it was the right that curtailed union powers.

I don't have left wing pretensions. I voted Remain. I don't know where you are getting the idea that Remain is a left thing.
My earlier comment about people lining up to do seasonal jobs was a joke. There aren't. That's why we need people from EU to get the harvest in. Frankly, I don't care who does them. I know the pay isn't great and the conditions are shit. If you need the money you should do it regardless of where you are from. If there's a labour shortage among British workers then EU workers are taking up the slack.