To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

[whyispeppainthenightgarden]

I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

Ta 1k Stone street hahahhaha! I think I've said on this thread or another: the M20 from south of Ashford to north of Maidstone is basically a 50mph zone due to roadworks. The M2 is knackered. The A20 is also under roadworks due to M20 works. The road up to Hawkinge, well.... and the other smaller roads are literally just that, smaller roads. Add in the tourist traffic to Dover and/or the tunnel and it is all going to be completely fucked.

Prepper here. Hi, op.
I prep for likely problems. Snow, unemployment that kind of thing. Problems in food supply after Brexit look like another likely one given our Just In Time food supply system and its vulnerability to the slightest hiccup.
At best, Brexit will cause a hiccup in the food supply.
There are plenty of people who have never thought about getting a buffer of food in and who think it sounds like "hysteria " to use your description. Brexit has made them think about it for the first time.
Me? It's just another thing and I'm not in panic mode about it because I've already thought about the need for building a bit of resilience in my pantry.
I have, I hope, some useful tips to share with people based on my personal experience and I have been giving them on here pretty regularly.
If you don't want to do it, that's your call. But slagging people off who do is a bit silly and, frankly, none of your business.

It feels a bit like being on the Titanic when it was going down, all the leavers are shouting 'its unsinkable' and the remainers pointing out their feet are getting wet and we are fast running out of lifeboats.

And Leavers like Fox, Davis, Redwood, Rees-Mogg are first class passengers so make sure that they get the places in the lifeboats.

Mentioning Titanic, the chairs have been moved around so often that the legs have been worn down by 3 inches!

On the other hand there was also the I'm alright Jack middle/upper class leavers who were arrogant about the UK's position in the world.

Most of the leavers I know are in the ‘I’m alright Jack’ category and have never suffered anything harsher other than a minor inconvenience in their life. They are reminiscent of the 1st class passengers on Titanic. There is little or no empathy or sympathy for their fellow man and it has made me realise how inherently selfish many people are. It’s pretty depressing really.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-36616028

I don’t disagree with your sentiments although the areas with the highest leave vote tended to be some of the more economically deprived areas rather than those who have had life easy.

back I know a family of them...nice people to a degree but they think poverty is poor choices for example. They pity me in my situation with DP and it infuriates me, they do it while looking down their noses. The medication situation is "so sad" as if it's unavailable. Every cut to every service over the years was unavailable, an evil necessary from their POV. Makes me angry tbh and I struggle being around them.

And then you look at Sunderland Parker , if you haven't been, I thoroughly recommend you do, the beaches of Roker and Seaburn are lovely and the Air show every year is fabulous

But lets not pretend that this is a deprived area, every single soul there is driving a newer car than me < excluding the classic car enthusiast>

frumpety - it’s hard to analyse the results but yes I agree Seaburn is lovely.

And the people are great too.

What I don't like , is this whole 'the poor' are a homogenous mass thingy, people can be 'poor' for a huge variety of reasons and live in a myriad of places and situations up and down the country. Not having a large or even any amount of disposable income doesn't mean you are not deserving of it, it just often means life hasn't dealt you the same hand as others. Privilege of birth and all that.

I do sometimes wonder how many people in the UK would hold their hands up to being 'working class' and how many people understand what that actually means ? I do also wonder how many generations back your average middle class person has to go before discovering working class ancestors, I will hazard a guess at 2 or 3 for most.

www.theguardian.com/news/2018/oct/04/will-nissan-stay-once-britain-leaves-sunderland-brexit-business-dilemma

You’ve got me reading up on Brexit and Sunderland. Unfortunately the area could loose a lot if there is a hard Brexit.

People think that Oxford is wealthy but there are some pockets of deep poverty. Some of which sit cheek by jowl with the wealthy areas.

Parker well Nissan or Renault who is the major shareholder I believe, can always build their cars in France

England 0 France 1

And then I wonder, because it is Sunday and I am not at work tomorrow so have knocked the top off a couple, whether the people who are being described as 'poor', 'deprived' etc , are going to see any improvement in their lives as a result of the Brexit vote? Is UC going to be stopped ? Are those just about managing families going to feel all the richer for being £200 a month worse off ?

I saw something on Facebook this week that made me think, the premise was that those on £1,000 an hour had managed to make those on £12 an hour believe the problems of this country lay with those who were on £7.83 an hour.

frumpety
The Brexit vote was entirely down to Whitehall politics and choices
if there is anything other than BINO
it will get worse rather than better

there are clear ways to reboot the UK economy for the benefit of the many not the few
but neither Labour nor the Tories are proposing them

Reading that piece linked by Parker (thank you), things don't bode well unless there is entirely frictionless conditions post Brexit.
So many individual lines ring alarm bells. The fact that the group (Renault, Nissan and I think it said Toyota) have plants worldwide and are sited to minimise cost of delivery to their customers, with a likely declining UK economy, the uptake of the Leaf for example will be low in the UK, making sales low so the plants in mainland Europe are rather more likely to get the work.
Interesting, almost regret, by Hestletine that the closure of the previous heavy industry was 'unthinking'. The article finishes by suggesting there could be a repeat of this action though.

The UK will never regain heavy industry. Those days are gone.

There are ways to make the UK more dynamic, inclusive and competitive that can ALL be done within EU law and minimal changes to legislation

but what do I know
I've only audited the public sector for the last 22 years

Sadly it seems there are many things the UK may not be doing in the future, but no suggestions what it CAN do.
It is all this pretense of in/out/will we/won't we that is causing the problem and so much damage.

Heavy manufacturing is heading into the past, the world is nearly at peak "stuff"
not a big issue
the UK is currently an amazing world leader at precision engineering - and has been for decades.

English is the language of business and diplomacy, we should cash in on that

but it needs a more equitable society ....

• abolish help to buy
• allow councils to build on any plot that has been blocked for more than 3 years (self funding by the reduction in housing benefit)
• massively increased social housing would put the floor back into the rental market

and allow people to move for jobs again (Tebbit's "get on your bike")

at the same time, make the partners in LLPs have UK NI numbers
and make the owners of all domestic property have UK NI numbers
--will repatriate SHED LOADS of business-

and then move the escalator on Universal Credit to 55 pence not 63 Economists idea not mine

and massively clamp down on overseas ownership of infrastructure assets

those will bring in enough tax to fund the economy and make work pay even in the regions

Yes heavy industry is over, unless a really efficient and clean way to use coal is found, the stuff we have is not much use, and iron ore and other minerals are pretty worked out, compared to deposits in other countries.
That 'wish list' is a good start with the obvious snag that I doubt it would feature on many manifestos.
{English is the language of business and diplomacy, we should cash in on that}.
I think at the moment the 'diplomacy' aspect as used by the UK gov is missing.

Using coal is NOT a good thing - Climate change and all that
building on expertise in precision engineering
(the hubs of wind turbines for example)
is

yup, my list will not be on a party manifesto as it includes no bungs for ex ministers (of both Labour, Tory and libDem varieties)

I mentioned coal in the hope there might be a way of using it that is more 'subtle' than just setting it on fire to boil a big kettle. True innovation. A source for the basis of graphene perhaps (chemistry was many years ago).

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@Kenn they might not be happy with my answers at all :)