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To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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whyispeppainthenightgarden · 23/10/2018 20:33

I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

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Hazardswan · 27/10/2018 18:40

< Letter writing campaign to Mrs May.

And agree that a lot of votes from leave came about from austerity. On the other hand there was also the I'm alright Jack middle/upper class leavers who were arrogant about the UK's position in the world. I can sympathise with the former and the latter I can't think about without turning bitter.

To think people are creating hysteria around brexit
yolofish · 27/10/2018 18:42

Ta 1kingpeace as a Kent resident, and pp on this thread, thank your for your voice of reason.

We are seriously looking at nothing moving in Kent for a while... destroying businesses, destroying JIT etc etc.

And for those who think Kent is the garden of England, part of the wealthy south - think again, parts of this massive county suffer from really significant deprivation, partly due to rural/seaside location.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 19:26

Yolofish
For all those who think that Kent is Tunbridge Wells I suggest they look up Tilmanstone or Betteshanger

Those who think that Dover will magically work like a container port forget

  • groupage
  • fresh food
  • Just in Time
as not much of that comes in from China Smile

Clearing a 100 part groupage takes time. It just does.
SO MANY UK businesses are built on being able to get things in from Yerp overnight ....

SheBangsit · 27/10/2018 19:28

It will be all right on the night.

ginghambox · 27/10/2018 19:31

It will be all right on the night.
Bloody hell, don't say that they will all start repeating themselves. AGAIN.

Parker231 · 27/10/2018 19:33

SheBangsit - what do you mean and how?

KennDodd · 27/10/2018 19:37

SheBangsit

You're right. Why don't you take yourself off to Style and Beauty and don't worry your little head about it.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 19:42

@SheBangsit
What will? Which Night?

Hazardswan · 27/10/2018 19:45

Shebang probably meant it'll be alright on the night because Michel Barnier will extend A50 and we will have time for a People's Vote.

And obviously because cross over day is in January remain will win.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 19:52

Ah silly me, I forgot the influence of the Rainbow Unicorns
and just for good measure .....
twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1056170145226375170

UnnecessaryFennel · 27/10/2018 20:01

Hey, hey, come on, some of us are capable of posting on Style & Beauty as well as caring about Brexit, you know.

Whilst the uninformed ostrich tendencies of many infuriate me, I don't like the idea that seems to have taken hold on these threads that anyone who dares post on any other subject than Brexit must be an airhead.

Can we not do this, please?

Mistigri · 27/10/2018 20:02

Talk1npeace talks sense. Good to have an expert on here.

Once upon a time, before a lot of you were born  I spent a summer working at a customs agent. Most of my job was phoning people up to find out what was in their consignment, because the forms hadn't been filled in correctly. And this was back when the single market was just a twinkle in Margaret Thatcher's eye, and companies were used to filling in customs forms.

I dare say that these days many SMEs in the UK have never had to complete customs documentation and do not employ anyone with any experience of doing it.

KennDodd · 27/10/2018 20:08

Hey, hey, come on, some of us are capable of posting on Style & Beauty as well as caring about Brexit, you know

I know Grin

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 20:10

Mistigri
I admit I rather impressed myself the other day,
I pulled up a screenshot of a C88 and remembered how to fill it in, and I've never forgotten how to use the Tariff 99 99 99 99 9 for everything is NOT the correct answer

And I LOVED my time working in clearance. It was a fantastically interesting job that taught me huge amounts about the world useful as I'd been a private school gel till then

But everybody I'm still in touch with back in Dover is Really REALLY worried about how the infrastructure can be made to cope.

Hazardswan · 27/10/2018 20:16

Could they go on strike before March ta1k ?

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 20:20

Hazardswan
Could who go on strike ?
All of the Customs Clearance clerks were laid off in 1992 when the single market came in.
The Ferry Companies do not do clearance.
Kent does not do clearance
The skill set is there but mostly in the Old Endeavour and the Louis Armstrong (pubs BTW) and in their 50's and 60's

HMRC does not have the HUGE data links needed to bring back C88 and T2 and deferment
and there is not the physical space for demurrage

Hazardswan · 27/10/2018 20:28

Sorry ta1k I misread I thought you meant you knew people back in Dover at the port not the geographical area of Dover generally.

Mistigri · 27/10/2018 20:28

Border infrastructure is just not ready. On the government´s own "border readiness" traffic light chart there is one solitary speck of green.

To think people are creating hysteria around brexit
1tisILeClerc · 27/10/2018 20:31

Some part of HMRC or Customs has already said it's current computer system is far too small for the amount of new data that will be needed, by a factor of about 3, and a new system is not ready yet and may not be for many months. We all know how well government computer systems work from new.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 20:36

Hazardswan
Oh, I know people still in the Docks - they wave you on and off the boats
but why / how would they strike ?
I know people handling the freight ferry tickets (I used to handle hundreds per day) - again, what would striking do?
If I rummaged through my Facebook I could probably dig out some Customs Officers

I worked in Dover during the P&O strike (after the Herald) - one of THE most poisonous disputes as so many there had attended funerals

Dover just wants people to whoosh through smoothly
Brexit threatens that

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 20:39

LeClerc
When clearance moved from the old C16 (all manual) to the C88 (part computerised)
I'll let you guess which year that happened, the clue is in the name
there was parallel run with both forms submitted for every clearance
FOR A YEAR

we have less than six months till Brexit
and there is NO SYSTEM at present

1tisILeClerc · 27/10/2018 20:51

Apart from the infrastructure, Rotterdam has taken on 600 or 700 new customs officials (BBC article a month or more ago) and I think another 300 for security or similar function. I think it said that the Dutch taxpayers are having to fork out around £400 each for the 'privilege' of the UK leaving.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 21:06

Nothing to do with the thread, but this makes me happy

yolofish · 27/10/2018 21:33

I have no knowledge - or the skills and understanding - that Ta 1k has. What I do know, as a long term resident of Kent, is that the minute there is the slightest hold up at the port of Dover (and of course there are other ports too) the entire county comes to a standstill. Magnify these effects by even one tenth and those Leavers who want to buy a pint of milk, or a loaf of bread, let alone anything more complicated, will not be able to.

I do wish we would listen to the experts...

Ta1kinpeace · 27/10/2018 21:39

yolofish
I worked in the docks a LONG time ago, but the principles and forms are the same.
But I still have family and friends in East Kent

Yup, Stone street cannot cope with extra traffic of any sort
there is the possibility of using Pfizer at Richborough as a transit point
and Manston has been offered as an option
but you know as well as any of us that the trucks would get no further than Capel or Lydden before finding their own routes.

The blinkered attitude of politicians is deeply depressing