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Westministenders: A Change of Mood

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2018 17:57

A day after 700,000 people came from all over the country to march on the streets of the Capital to protest and say there needs to be another vote on what next.

Has it changed anything?

Well the mood is changing.

Former leavers are starting to have doubts. Not necessarily about leaving but certainly about how its been handled. Some have ridicilous ideas on how it should be done which are not grounded in any sort of reality. But others are starting to realise that a lot of what Remainers said, at least has some truth, in terms of the complexity and practical problems of leaving.

The EU who previoiusly have been exasperated but accomodating are starting to baton down the hatches and move to a no deal position. The EU summit in November will now no longer include the UK because progress has not been made, although we have been told this is changeable if we have a change of heart. At the summit they will talk about No Deal planning. There has been talk that the final deadline for the UK is 13th December, but there are also some saying this is optimistic and in reality its the middle of November in political terms because this is when EU countries will start committing large amounts of money to No Deal. At this point, it becomes much more difficult for leaders to justify to their own population 'wasting' money on no deal measures.

Back in the UK, the penny is starting to drop. Peston has talked about just how far away we really are from a deal. He's the first main stream journalist to say it outloud. Everyone else is still maintaining we will get a deal, when May just does not have the power in her own party to manage it. She is now reaching out to Labour to help her get a deal as its her only option left open to her now.

May has to get the budget through parliament before the EU summit - on the 1st November - and the DUP are already threatening to vote against it as leverage to get their own way on Brexit.

Tory MP Johnny Mercer is so fed up of it all, that he's come out saying that that he wouldn't vote Tory now, and its all a "complete shit show".

This apparently hasn't gone down too well with other Tories as they feel it means that its more likely to provoke a leadership challenge sooner rather than later. It has been reported that May has been effectively been put on notice and she 72 hours to sort it out. She has been called to a 1922 Committee Meeting on Wednesday to answer to backbenchers.

Up until now, its been thought that the 48 letters wouldn't be sent to Graham Brady because she would win a no confidence vote. Its now being reported that there is a creeping fear that the party would end up with a situation like Labour where they were unable to get rid of Corbyn, and if a leadership challenge was launched they would need to just get rid of her now.

Quick revision:

  1. To trigger a confidence vote 48 letters (15% of Tory MPs) need to be sent to Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee.
  2. There is then a vote, and the leader needs 156 MPs (50.1%) of the vote to win or they face a leadership election.
  3. If there is no confidence vote, another one can't be called for twelve months.

There has been talk of David Davis as an interim leader, which isn't true; its just the start of another round of positioning as Tories smell the blood of a wounded leader. Johnson is also circling and isn't impressed at David Davis seemingly throwing his hat in the ring, despite previously he would just retire.

Triggering a no confidence vote, just before the EU summit around the time of the budget could be just about the worst timing possible if thats the case...

... it would leave British politics in complete chaos and the EU will have effectively run out of time and will have to commit themselves to No Deal anyway.

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 13:56

Patients 'may need to stockpile own drugs if no-deal Brexit looms'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/23/brexit-patients-may-need-own-drug-stockpiles-pharma-execs-tell-commons-committee

Martin Sawer, who leads the Healthcare Distributors Association, which represents the pharmaceutical supply chain, said patients might need to think about ensuring they had enough of their own stocks.
Giving evidence to the Commons health committee about the possible impact of a no-deal departure on the sector,
...
Medicines supplies work to a highly sophisticated timetable, generally with twice-a-day deliveries and warehouses keeping only two or three weeks of stock
...
“What keeps us awake at night is the uncertainty of no deal,”
“On average, 50% of the medicines in our depots have been through the EU before they get to the UK warehouses.
And this whole integrated supply chain that we rely on was clearly set up after we joined the EU.

“It would be a catastrophic time, a ‘no deal’, for medicines supply. I’m not pulling any punches.
I think we have to think of emergency powers.”

These powers, the committee was told, could include pharmacists being permitted to replace one type of drug with another without first getting the approval of a patient’s GP. 🤭

PineappleSunrise · 24/10/2018 14:02

I don't know whether to laugh or cry seeing all these "impacts of no deal" stories suddenly bubbling up. Where has the media BEEN all these months?

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 14:05

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/eu-select-committee-/news-parliament-2017/dominic-raab-letter-scrutiny/
Brexit secretary refuses to give evidence to Parliament

The Lords EU Committee has written to Rt Hon Dominic Raab MP, Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, urging him to engage with Committees in order to facilitate scrutiny of the Withdrawal Agreement and political statement on the future UK-EU relationship.

Wow! This is a parliamentary page (not a news report) stating that Raab is not cooperating with the Lords and allowing them to hold him to account over his job.

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 14:08

Where has the media BEEN all these months?

Wanking off Nigel Farage and his supporters

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DGRossetti · 24/10/2018 14:11

I wonder if the stealth withdrawal of the £5 note is connected ?

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 14:11

Nick Gutteridge @nick_gutteridge
1/ Hold your horses say UK sources. There's more to this. Yes Britain has agreed the ECJ will play a significant role in policing the Withdrawal Agreement. But the EU has given away its share of the family silver too. This isn't a simple case of Brussels steamrollering the Brits.

2/ At the start, the EU was demanding the ECJ be the sole legal authority overseeing the agreement. It would not only have been able to identify and rule on disputes, but also hand down punishments to either side such as fines. Britain wanted no decisive role for euro judges.

3/ What the UK and EU have now arrived at is a Ukraine-style set up similar to the one Britain is seeking for the future relationship. It consists of a joint political committee made up by both sides whose job it is to identify, assess and then take action on infringements.

4/ The ECJ only gets involved if the dispute is about an area covered by EU law. In reality that means primarily issues surrounding citizens' rights. Thus, it has been reduced to an interpretative role. BUT, its interpretations will be legally binding on the joint committee.

5/ In cases where the ECJ hands down an interpretation, the joint committee will have to follow that through with an appropriate response. This is a bigger role than the UK initially wanted for euro judges, but equally it is also certainly a smaller one than Brussels envisaged.

6/ The ECJ will also not play a role in interpreting disputes unrelated to European law - for example some issues arising from the Irish backstop. Again, initially the EU wanted its remit to cover all areas of the Withdrawal Agreement.

7/ So we reach the crux - is the ECJ the 'ultimate arbiter' of EU law in this system? That depends on how you interpret that phrase. Yes, the EU says, because it will have the final, binding say on EU law. No, say the Brits, because it's reduced to a distant interpretative role.

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fieldgold · 24/10/2018 14:12

BigChocFrenzy

Thanks

DGRossetti · 24/10/2018 14:12

Also, I wonder if the owners of the craft required for a "flotilla" are already working out ways to ensure they don't lose out from it ?

DGRossetti · 24/10/2018 14:13

The UKs problem, is that it's not got a stellar record for implementing ECJ judgements to start with ...

woman11017 · 24/10/2018 14:16

The UK hasn't got a stellar record for implementing domestic law either.

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 14:19

Cumulative Delivery Risk for Border Systems Requiring Change in the Event of No Deal

Westministenders: A Change of Mood
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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 14:20

Also, I wonder if the owners of the craft required for a "flotilla" are already working out ways to ensure they don't lose out from it ?

Well its one way to help the fishermen out I suppose.

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 14:23

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Bomb found at home of Hillary and Bill Clinton in New York City suburb.

And so it begins.

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woman11017 · 24/10/2018 14:25

Also, I wonder if the owners of the craft required for a "flotilla" are already working out ways to ensure they don't lose out from it

Seizure of property happened in 1938 too.

I imagine it won't just be boats the state decides it needs to steal for the Patriotic Turnip State.

Icantreachthepretzels · 24/10/2018 14:32

The thing I just can't get my head around ... you know when you're making plans to do something and you realise it's going to need a flotilla to ease your supply chain of vital foods and meds (and lord knows - I'm sure we've all made those plans before) is that not the time to abandon your plans? You know - you hit the flotilla and then you have to realise that it isn't working and you need something new?

I told my mp I believed there would one day be a Chilcot style enquiry into brexit. I don't. I think that any of them that survive the lynchings will face a Nuremberg style trial. I've thought that for a long time - but the more (or less Confused) they do - the more of a certainty this becomes.

DGRossetti · 24/10/2018 14:36

Seizure of property happened in 1938 too.

You can only seize property that's seizable. Either by geography, or by ownership.

This really wouldn't be a good time to discover that all those foreign companies buying up UK assets have also stashed them out of UK jurisdiction too ?

How about forced labour ? What if the government needs certain skills that aren't signing up fast enough (if at all). Remember the army is already short a few thousand ....

woman11017 · 24/10/2018 14:36

Well there was the pipe bomb at Soros's house, but Israel.........

I imagine it won't be long here either. Civil Contingencies Act triggering for xmas?

PineappleSunrise · 24/10/2018 14:37

You mean that in 20 years' time, people will talk about "the flotilla plan" the same way they talk about "the mother of all battles?"

woman11017 · 24/10/2018 14:42

Link for anyone who's interested.

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 14:42

You mean that in 20 years' time, people will talk about "the flotilla plan" the same way they talk about "the mother of all battles?"

Less Dunkirk
More Gallipolli

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Hazardswan · 24/10/2018 14:45

Anyone know when we're likely to hear news from the 1922 committee?

Mrsr8 · 24/10/2018 14:47

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 14:48

1922 Committee is this evening.

If memory serves around 5pm.

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Butterymuffin · 24/10/2018 14:49

Karen Bradley. Sigh. What a time to have a NI Secretary who a) isn't very bright and b) knows sod all about Northern Ireland.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 14:50

100 years on from the end of WW1
Many similarities, with the blundering into it by accident and then the death toll from all the old generals & Colonel Blimps applying tactics of a bygone age.

When WW1 was announced, there were cheers in the streets.
We were going to win it by Christmas
Young men who didn't volumnteer to serve who didn't serve were given white feathers and shunned

The flotilla is May's attempt to relive Dunkirk from WW2 though

The Nuremburg trials were several years later

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