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Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2018 23:16

The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 08:02

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/were-policing-streets-because-police-15266603.amp?__twitter_impression=true
We're policing our own streets because the police don't come out these days
Budget cuts mean almost half of all reported crime is not being investigated by GMP. Now the public are coming up with their own ways of keeping their communities safe

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 08:04

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/infant-mortality-child-deaths-uk-eu-europe-health-brexit-poverty-austerity-a8581516.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Infant mortality in England will be 140% higher than EU states by 2030 without radical action, report warns
'We can no longer regard ourselves as one of the leading healthcare providers in Europe, and indeed across the world, if we lag behind so significantly in provision for young people'

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MyBrexitGoesOnHoliday · 15/10/2018 08:20

Peregrina I’ve had exactly the same reaction than you. 😡😡😡
And that’s what is so dangerous. Little words added tyere and then that give an impression that is far from the reality

MyBrexitGoesOnHoliday · 15/10/2018 08:22

RTB neither of them is surprising me.
With my work, I come into contact with quite a lot of people going through the NHS. The situation is dire.

As for the Police, NOW we should be extremely worried because that’s the start of vigilantes groups and the possibility for these groups to be manipulated one way or the other.

MyBrexitGoesOnHoliday · 15/10/2018 08:28

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/10/why-you-should-give-money-directly-and-unconditionally-homeless-people

The average life expectancy of a homeless man in London is 47. For women, it is 43. This is lower than the general life expectancy of any nation on the planet.
And
Eighty per cent of homeless people in the UK experienced no support or advice the last time they were moved on by police or council workers. When the government claims that most people begging on the street are refusing better help, what they mean is the help on offer is not adequate

Add all of the above together and you get a country that is refusing to look after the most vulnerable of its citizens.

Sakura7 · 15/10/2018 08:29

This really is unbelievable. When are the grown ups going to come to the table? Can't believe the UK is willing to crash out with no deal. Given that the referendum result was so close, there's no mandate or this. Yet the ERG lunatics have been allowed to take over the asylum.

Sakura7 · 15/10/2018 08:30

*mandate for this

Peregrina · 15/10/2018 08:36

From what I read of the Times leader it was more measured, but then I hit the paywall. I might even buy a copy to read the whole article.

I rather sourly thought that the next Referendum should wholly be on the NI backstop. The English Tories would vote no to it, May could then opine that the people had spoken and wave NI goodbye. She's a bit stuck then for a majority.... but that is her problem.

woman11017 · 15/10/2018 08:38

What misti said Angry

Lots of Leave funders don't want the march to take place.( 'odd' things happening on twitter accounts)

400 people going to the march from Bristol alone.

The British government is facing huge domestic opposition
From the 55% who want to remain? From the 70% of labour voters who want to remain? From the 3 out of the 4 composite countries of britain who want to remain?

The Guardian never recovered from having its computers smashed up in 2014.

GD12 · 15/10/2018 08:44

Is May not In a catch 22 here? No deal and a hard border is in place in NI and GFA falls and that's even before the chaos in the UK, the Tories will never govern again. Accept EUs proposal of unlimited backstop and the Tories implode. She's toast and there's no realistic way out other than a GE (which won't solve anything) or a PV.

Peregrina · 15/10/2018 08:47

I know that Oxford has booked three 59 seater coaches and they are now full. There are regular bus services to Victoria, so people who didn't manage to get a ticket have been told to go on those or by train. I myself have booked a train ticket, because I am staying in London for the weekend.

I recall with the march in March 2017 just after the policeman got stabbed, various groups tried to get us to call off the march. I thought, tough, I have bought my ticket and am not wasting it. The march went ahead extremely peacefully and was a glorious spring day. The BBC chose to make Carswell's resignation from UKIP its main story. After repeated complaints by those of us marching, they managed to say that there had been a demo in London, on the six o clock news.

woman11017 · 15/10/2018 08:49

Is May not In a catch 22 here
She's got that Repel Act rottweiler straining on its leash.

Peregrina · 15/10/2018 08:50

the Tories will never govern again

Please let that happen, certainly with the Thatcher and post Thatcher school of Tories. I am still astonished about how many do dutifully put a cross against the Tory candidate's name.

Peregrina · 15/10/2018 08:52

But hey, Meghan Markle is expecting. Watch out for bad news being slipped out, while the papers gush about the Royals.

Peregrina · 15/10/2018 08:54

Needless to say, it's now the top story on the BBC. The Grauniad is still leading with May's set back on the Irish border.

Somerville · 15/10/2018 08:55

From the Times article. (Will see if I can do share token).

Officials moved to dampen speculation yesterday that the break-up in negotiations was in fact choreographed before a deal is agreed this week. “There’s trouble,” one UK source said. “This was not the plan.” A senior EU diplomat added: “This is not good and the backstop remains the problem.”

One source suggested that on arriving in Brussels Mr Raab had adopted a more hardline approach than Mr Robbins. In some parts of government there is still hope that momentum can be achieved before Wednesday.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/10/2018 08:59

Well the Royal Family are certainly giving their monies worth to the government in good news stories to hide shit under at the mo.

woman11017 · 15/10/2018 08:59

@lisaocarroll
Did Theresa May co-ordinate with palace timing of Meghan's news?

Peregrina · 15/10/2018 09:00

Nope, it still tells me I have reached my limit! I might just stump up for a copy today.

Buteo · 15/10/2018 09:01

Baby due in the spring - 29th March as a due date would just be too good to be true Hmm

GD12 · 15/10/2018 09:02

Dyou know I work in the Travel industry and were currently having contingy meetings about what to do if people can't travel because of this. We're also be going to be making people redundant because of the downturn and the cost of this. All this is an absolute outrage and completely unessescary.

bellinisurge · 15/10/2018 09:04

@GD12 - did your work tell you this was a likely outcome of the vote in the referendum?

Somerville · 15/10/2018 09:04

Here you go, then:

Ministers have been told to start implementing plans for a no-deal Brexit within weeks as last-ditch talks in Brussels between Britain and the EU broke up after little more than an hour.

Dominic Raab, the Brexit secretary, travelled to Brussels yesterday for an unscheduled meeting with his EU counterpart, Michel Barnier, amid speculation that officials on both sides had reached agreement over the so-called Irish backstop. But Theresa May’s hopes of sealing a deal at the summit in Brussels that starts on Wednesday were left on a knife-edge when both sides declared that there had been no consensus.

The Times has learnt that senior civil servants have warned ministers that whatever happens this week, the government’s contingency plans for Britain crashing out of the EU without a deal agreed must start being put into effect by the end of the month.

Rather than wait for the conclusion of talks in Brussels, or the ratification of any deal by MPs, the work of stockpiling medicines and telling businesses to begin registering for new customs processes must begin shortly, ministers have concluded.

Those involved in the discussions said that if the government delayed taking action to prepare for a no-deal Brexit beyond this month, it faced being under-prepared by March 29 next year, when Britain officially leaves the EU.

The warning came as:

• David Davis, the former Brexit secretary, called for ministers to revolt against the prime minister’s “completely unacceptable” Chequers deal, prompting calls for him to replace Mrs May as an interim leader.

• In a sign of Mrs May’s fragile hold on Downing Street, at least three cabinet ministers were on the brink of quitting this week in protest at her plans for a backstop — the arrangements that would apply to Northern Ireland to avoid a hard border with the Republic of Ireland in the absence of a post-Brexit deal.

• Arlene Foster, leader of the Democratic Unionist Party, with whom Mrs May’s government has a confidence-and-supply agreement to give the Tories an overall majority, said that she was “ready” to trigger a no-deal Brexit.

• The former foreign secretary Boris Johnson said that if the backstop was not ditched it “would be the greatest national humiliation since Suez”.

• The Labour MP Caroline Flint angered colleagues by warning that she would back a “reasonable” Brexit deal secured by Mrs May rather than vote it down with Mr Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg “who want us to crash out without a deal”.

Ministers have been told that although their departments should try to ensure that “irrevocable” contingency plans for how different industries and sectors should plan for a no-deal outcome were not put into effect until after the Commons has voted on any deal with the EU, some will have to begin sooner. It emerged last week that the government had already begun work to turn the M26 into a lorry park.

Mr Raab travelled to Brussels yesterday to try to find a solution on the backstop. Olly Robbins, Mrs May’s leading official, and his EU counterparts had the outlines of a “technical” agreement yesterday afternoon, The Times understands. But the prime minister and Mr Raab face a difficult task persuading several members of the cabinet and many Conservative backbenchers that the backstop does not lock Britain into an indefinite customs union with the EU.

Officials moved to dampen speculation yesterday that the break-up in negotiations was in fact choreographed before a deal is agreed this week. “There’s trouble,” one UK source said. “This was not the plan.” A senior EU diplomat added: “This is not good and the backstop remains the problem.”

One source suggested that on arriving in Brussels Mr Raab had adopted a more hardline approach than Mr Robbins. In some parts of government there is still hope that momentum can be achieved before Wednesday.

Mr Raab’s unscheduled visit had fuelled speculation that a deal was close. An EU memo obtained by the Süddeutsche Zeitung in Germany had predicted that yesterday would be the day when “a deal is done, and nothing is made public”, before its announcement in London today.

The talks still foundered over the question of the backstop, and a planned meeting of each of the member states today was cancelled. Mr Barnier said: “Despite intense efforts, some key issues are still open, including the backstop to avoid a hard border.” A Downing Street spokesman said: “In the last few days UK and EU negotiators have made real progress in a number of key areas. However, there remain a number of unresolved issues relating to the backstop.”

Under the plans for a backstop, the EU would allow the UK to continue being part of a customs union beyond the end of the transition period if no new free-trade agreement had been signed. But Brexiteers, including Mr Raab, are adamant there must be a firm time limit on any such arrangement to avoid Britain being in a customs union with the EU for ever, without the ability to strike free-trade deals.

Yesterday officials suggested inserting a series of conditions that, if met, could mean the backstop would expire. But Brexiteers scoffed at the idea. “No date means no date,” one source said.

The ministers most opposed to the backstop plans are Andrea Leadsom, the Commons leader, Esther McVey, the work and pensions secretary, and Penny Mordaunt, the international development secretary. They will meet in Mrs Leadsom’s Commons office tonight, but are expected to wait until the cabinet meeting on Tuesday before deciding whether to quit.

GD12 · 15/10/2018 09:06

@bellinisurge of course not, and they're still not telling anyone. I only know this because I'm a bit up the food chain and have been involved in meetings. The staff don't know a thing.