No Brexit

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As it seems the tone on here is remain what does everyone think will happen should we revoke article 50. How will the EU react, what will Brexiteer MPs do and how will the 51% react.

About 95% of those who voted Leave won't care for one reason or another; a lot thought it was over 2 years ago.

The other 5% would froth at the mouth forever more but that's going to happen anyway because they aren't going to get the sunlit uplands they thought they were.

I'd rather they fumed about 'no Brexit than 'this isn't the Brexit I wanted'

Either way they'll blame the EU anyway.

Looking at the comments on a Guardian article, some from Europe are sounding quite pissed off with the UK.
in an article about the port of Rotterdam a month or so back, Dutch taxpayers are being hit with an extra 400 Euros a year each to pay for the upgrades necessary for Brexit.
Meanwhile the UK monkey is still dancing and it is unlikely the true cost of Brexit will come out although apparently it is already costing £500 Million a week. We haven't left yet of course.

How would the country as a whole feel knowing that a vote meant nothing? What would the turnout be at the next election if people disengaged with politics because politicians didnt care.

It might teach them that you can't just chose something you think might be nice without giving a second thought to how it will work in practice.

Leaving the EU isn't impossible.

Trying to do it like this without destroying the economy is.

And if there's one thing this whole sorry mess has proved it's that politician don't care.

Just look at TM's strop speech because the others didn't play nicely with her.

They are all in it for themselves and to hell with the consequences.

Bearbehind so you don't see any issue with staying? You don't believe that all the leavers might decide to make a stand? At the minimum UKIP could make significant gains the extreme could be civil disobedience even revolution.

In all honesty, I couldn't give a shit if Leavers 'make a stand'

It wouldn't last very long on account of the fact there's no substance beyond their sound bites.

I'm thoroughly pissed off this nonsense is still going on, and all because a huge swathe of people can't be arsed to look beyond those sound bites.

There is literally no one who can point to a tangible positive outcome from Brexit other than disaster capitalists.

Single to middle
While leavers might decide to make a stand and there could well be something approaching a revolution, you have to stand back and look at the financial position the UK is in now and what will happen to it if it doesn't stay in the CU and SM. All imports and exports rising by around 10% (WTO rules). So, as the UK does not make steel from iron ore, it imports steel (add 10%). It then makes something and sells it abroad, (another 10%). The UK is likely to be competing with other countries directly, and certainly for EU destined goods they will have a 10 or 20% 'head start'.
Car manufacturers, all volume production is foreign owned. They get a 10-20% hit in costs, and they will go where in Europe other governments will queue up to offer good rates for land and infrastructure to ease EU unemployment.
The UK is showing that it can't really be trusted, threatening not to pay the 35Billion 'exit' costs, and 2 years of Mrs May dancing around her handbag with other cabinet ministers flip flopping about and being disrespectful to all and sundry.
The EU has largely geared up for the UK leaving, it is almost 'old news' and with the continuous threats and jeering from the UK ministers and tabloid press, they are getting pretty bored with the whole thing, especially as the UK is costing them hundreds if not up to a thousand pounds per person for the 'privilege' of the UK leaving.

You don't believe that all the leavers might decide to make a stand? At the minimum UKIP could make significant gains the extreme could be civil disobedience even revolution

I’m waaaay more worried about the economic impact of a no deal Brexit than I am of leavers.

Given that the Brexit population is significantly older than the norm a revolution sounds unlikely. Marches, maybe some civil disobedience from the T Robinson wing.
It will be mitigated by the sheer joy of Remainers. There will be a new perception and appreciation of the EU which was never appreciated much before. They will be reinvigorated. As they are mostly the working population who knows what the U.K. might achieve on the back of it.

You don't believe that all the leavers might decide to make a stand

I have a theory that we won’t be able to find a Leave voter in 20 years time. There’s the demographics thing - but mostly people won’t want to admit to it. If it’s a no deal Brexit we won’t be able to find a leave voter in 5 years

So far from being afraid of leavers rioting I actually think I’ll be hard pressed to find one.

Brexit isn't the Alamo!

Most people aren't that bothered, for many it was a chance to kick Cameron after 6 years of Austerity.... if being in the EU was such an important concern for the UK, we'd have a few UKIP MPs by now.

You'd certainly have an economic bounce if it were revoked and i guess May would go and a GE.

However, i don't think its going to happen, we are leaving.

So staying in the EU would just be accepted and there would be no negative consequences. What worries me is that if half the brexiteers were to vote ukip they would be at least be the main opposition. What happens if the economic bounce doesnt occur and things get worse?

It will be mitigated by the sheer joy of Remainers. There will be a new perception and appreciation of the EU which was never appreciated much before. They will be reinvigorated. As they are mostly the working population who knows what the U.K. might achieve on the back of it

I’m sorry but .....😂😂😂😂😂

Worryingly I actually think the OP might be TM.

Brexit will only be cancelled if talks colllapse and the markets' reaction is catastrophic (that will hit pensioners living off their assets).

Personally I think that's still not the most likely outcome. But even if it did, I don't think there is any evidence that the potential UKIP constituency is more than 20-25% of the electorate. It's peak was under Farage who is awful but a skilled demagogue. The current party couldn't organise its way out of a paper bag and all the kippers with IQs that put them on the right hand side of the bell curve have gone back to the Tories anyway.

Plus even with 20% in the polls they never got so much as a single MP elected. The UK electoral system is unkind to small parties.

Here one group that would like to revoke Art50
a real shame if you ve heart issues and loss for the UK but i guess these people don't count.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45727317

Carswell did manage to get re-elected but I suspect that was off the back of his existing reputation as an MP.

Leavers would have to suck it up. Same as we have to just now. Or get behind it in the patriotic public interest or whatever stupid shit they witter in about to change my mind.

If you read the big Easter Holiday thread you will realise how little thought most people give this issue.

They wilfully do not care.

My DH has stopped listening to or watching the news because he hates the whole thing

I like to scenario build but putting probabilities on outcomes relies on assuming rational decision making.
That is not happening with the UK side of Brexit

I cannot talk to my kids about it (one of whom is abroad with Erasmus) as it makes them too angry
they have utterly lost faith in all politicians

I see no good outcomes whichever way it ends

I agree that people don't care. Wilfully so.
At this point? Fuck' em. I won't be queuing up in Morrison's surrounded by empty shelves. My little family now all have Irish passports so we don't get to lose our EU rights.

Ignore the whiney remainers with their anglophobic, ageist hate.

Article 50 cannot be withdrawn (which is what I presume what OP mnans by 'revoked', though it's not the same thing) without the agreement of the other 27 EU members, which would not be forthcoming as it would have to be unanimous.

We are leaving the EU, almost certainly now on WTO terms.

It's the remainers who need to suck it up.

You can thank us later for preventing the UK becoming a series of provinces of a corrupt, anti-democratic Greater Germany, though you might find you have to pay your nannies and gardeners a bit more.

Whollyfather
Are you happy that the UKs trade will now be governed by the 480 faceless bureaucrats in Geneva who make up the WTO
and that our trade deals can be vetoed by any one of 169 countries, rather than 28?

A revolution is unlikely due to the lack of weapons. It would also be unlikely that there would be just two sides.

Civil unrest is likely, I think. I have been telling my family to prepare for a tough year.

{It's the remainers who need to suck it up}
Actually it will be everyone in the UK 'sucking it up'.
At least have the decency to 'own' this disaster when it happens and give generously to those you have made poorer.