No Brexit

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As it seems the tone on here is remain what does everyone think will happen should we revoke article 50. How will the EU react, what will Brexiteer MPs do and how will the 51% react.

There are many areas well versed in 'civil unrest', it doesn't take conventional weapons.

TBH, I don't really care about Brexit anymore, mainly because I voted to remain so it is not my mess or responsibility. If the country falls apart I will have a clear conscience

1tisILeClerc

That is true, however conventional weapons are needed when they go up against a professional army.

Redneck
Luckily the UK has sensible gun laws unlike where you live.
We are quite capable of civil disobedience without your beloved semi automatics.

I’m waaaay more worried about the economic impact of a no deal Brexit than I am of leavers.
This! I don't buy into the idea that we have to go through with it otherwise people will lose faith in politics. That went months ago when we saw what a balls up politicians have made of the whole thing.

An interesting article about the BBCs coverage of the issues
www.theguardian.com/media/2018/oct/06/robert-peston-bbc-not-impartial-during-eu-referendum-campaign

Quitlings can starve as far as I am concerned. As long as my little family doesn't go without a decent balanced diet when the economic consequences of Brexit kick in.

Some of us Remainers are getting on a bit, in MN terms.

What does woollyfather know? He always turns up when things look a bit dodgy for the Leave camp, for a quick chorus of "We're leaving, we're leaving" and then goes back to sleep again.

I think Brexiteers would be furious if Brexit doesn't go ahead. What most of them would actually DO about it though is the big question. Half my family (the uneducated half), voted for Brexit and I don't think any of them would do anything except froth at the mouth and slag off 'remoaners' for ever more, which seeing as I voted Remain and have been vocal about it, includes me . Most of them are 70+ and have never roused themselves to protest, march or anything else (apart from two of them, who have been known to join 'Countryside Alliance' marches [eye roll emoticon]).

The big mistake the government made is to take the result of a referendum (which is only ever advisory), and then decide to act on it. The Tories, if they were determined to run the referendum, should've said they'd take the result under advisement and made no promises about what they'd do with it. As it is, DC, TM, et al have promised all the dimwits Brexit at all costs and fuck the economy, good sense and the 48% of the country who didn't want it. Shame on the lot of them.

By January 2019 the tiny majority (of the '16 poll) of leave voters will have passed on.

Most Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, SF, Plaid, Green vote is remain. Many tories are too.

This has been a pro EU country for 45 years, till suddenly a mysterious and illegally funded untruthful and racist campaign tricked and scared many people into voting leave for the best of reasons.

There are a few thugs who like no excuse to kick off, but there always are a few thugs. Less than 20% of any western society is extreme right wingers.

Democracy means being able to change your mind once you find out a bit more.

This has been a pro EU country for 45 years
What an absolute load of bollocks.

@ginghambox

No anti EU/EEC party over the last has ever got anywhere, either with MPs or share of the vote, even ukip barely reached Green party levels of support.
Where as pro EU parties constantly get into Government, esp the Tories, Maggie was a big into the EU, helping to give us the SM.

So, on the evidence rather than what you "feel" woman11017 is correct.

Or do you feel there has been electoral fraud on a Mugabe style scale?

This has been a pro EU country for 45 years, till suddenly a mysterious and illegally funded untruthful and racist campaign tricked and scared many people into voting leave for the best of reasons

We may have had pro EU governments but blue, red and yellow have also had an EU Ref in their manifesto at one time or another over the last 20+ years, however, until 2016 no-one had the cahoonies to call it. As DC found out to his cost it’s naive to believe this all came about when the campaigns started.

No anti EU/EEC party over the last has ever got anywhere, either with MPs or share of the vote, even ukip barely reached Green party levels of support - to date they haven’t.

ukip barely reached Green party levels of support
In the 2015 GE UKIP got more votes than the Greens and the Libdems combined.

UKIP was only really Farage. I know he keeps threatening to come back, but I am not sure at the moment whether he still plans to.

UKIP was only really Farage
Correct, but to say the UK has been a pro EU country is , as stated , a load of bollocks.

The government should be more worried about rioting and unrest if the economy crashes as a result of going ahead with their version of brexit. Wilfully putting people out of jobs will cause huge unrest. It won’t just be the 48% who revolt either. People who voted for brexit were promised sunlit uplands and easiest trade deals ever...

gingham
The FPTP system produces oddities
in safe seats, 25% of the electorate can have a "protest" vote without affecting the result

when it comes to the crunch - eg Farridge standing in Thanet where there was a UKIP district council and UKIP parish councils
when push came to shove, the troops did not vote UKIP

anybody who translates FPTP vote share into seats without balancing for "protest votes"

ends up calling a referendum on the EU

Call me Dave

I think civil reaction is likely regardless of us leaving or not, and I think there is quite an overlap between people reacting both ways either because they don't get the Brexit they wanted or because we did and they don't like it. I think in the case of us crashing out of Europe there will be even bigger protests and problems.

A people's vote seems the least worst option. It doesn't mean that the first vote was invalid, the result of that vote means we have spent millions investigating the possibility of leaving and he implications of that. The second vote is based on the information (such as it is).

I agree Oddboots. Many may still vote leave but hopefully go via a pragmatic Norway type exit. May or whoever is in charge can always use the many powers they already have to severely limit non EU migration and register then export the EU migrants who don’t find work. The powers they have had all these decades but still haven’t implemented over 2 years on from the vote, which is strange considering control of borders is apparently so important to them that they will crash the economy over it.

Call me Dave
I agree, but to say the UK was pro EU is the aforementioned dangly bits.

I don't think we've ever been pro- EU but we've been good at gaming the system to our advantage-not without downsides but the downside we are about to slide into is not worth it.

The UK has always had a very grudging attitude to the EU
credited the UK for the successes
and blamed the EU for the failures
and taken the add ons UTTERLY for granted

When I became a UK citizen, my natural cynicism was UTTERLY swept away
(and it still brings me to tears)
by the joy / pride / enthusiasm with which people from less affluent/lucky countries signed up to their UK passports
( machete marks in the skulls of the parents of one family )

My Brit husband and kids started to value what they had the day I had to swear for it.
Maybe more Brits should have to pass the test and swear
before they get to slag off others

I think most in the UK were neither pro nor anti the EU - just indifferent in the main.

As for Farridge not winning a seat in Kent, I believe that there was some electoral skullduggery in the seat he stood for, with stuffed ballot boxes. Action was taken against two Tories involved in the election but May then called another and it all went quiet. It's just possible that he did actually win.

@ginghambox

In the 2010 GE, (which is the one i was thinking of), UKIP were similar to the Greens, less than 1%, the very pro EU libdems got 23%

So, UKIP at the height of their popularity, got 12.6 of the vote...despite fielding candidates across the country.....wow!

So i do think its safe to say we've been, overall, pro EU for the last 45 years .

However, there is significant parts of the Tory party which is very anti- EU, which is why we are making a mess of brexit.