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Westministenders: Talks Walk Out?

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2018 22:39

We are now on the countdown to whether we get a backstop Withdrawal Deal. May is hoping to get the EU to backdown on this saying that we will stay in the customs union until a deal is agreed on NI. That would mean come 29th March, we'd have no transistion period, but we'd still have a hard border in NI because we were out of the single market. And if the EU don't agree to it we are into the chances of accidental Brexit being sky high. The only way out would be revoking a50. May has hinted that if Tory MPs don't give her support we could end up with no brexit at all - whether she means revoking a50 or Beano isn't clear.

So onward to 18th October...

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/10/2018 12:12

His generation, his friends who came to visit, had an amazing knowledge of classic literature, poetry - much wider than mine ! Blush - higher maths, geography, politics etc
that they couldn't have learned all before age 14 in school

His very ordinary wc circle - like many trade union groups - respected not just formal education, but learning and knowledge
they shared and continually increased what they had

Peregrina · 09/10/2018 12:21

Yes, going to the Library each Saturday was not just a middle class habit.

jasjas1973 · 09/10/2018 12:28

We are still the 9th exporting nation in the world ! and have a fantastically successful services sector.

For me, living in Cornwall, it is the UK's inability to redistribute wealth.

There is something very wrong that since the GFC, directors have awarded themselves millions in salaries and get around all the rules on taxes, then you ve the accumulation of property......

BUT at the same time we ve UC and cuts in benefits of, according to Ester McVey, £200 per month for the very poorest because apparently the rich are motivate by more wealth, the poor by poverty.

Look no further for why we ve Brexit.

Peregrina · 09/10/2018 12:29

But how exactly does knowing that a lot of working people were under educated and had a thirst to better themselves help with Brexit? A lot of Brexiters are Tories from the South East, and on the whole, they were reasonably well educated. Well think Cameron, Johnson, Raab, Hunt.... or the Grammar School products, May (may as well class as Leaver now), Leasdom, Davis...

Younger people tended to vote Remain.

missclimpson · 09/10/2018 12:30

I don't really have enough evidence to make a judgement about the passing down of family history. Certainly my grandchildren have had it passed down and the first thing I did when I retired was to research and write the family history. I have been out of schools for thirteen years now, but certainly then a lot of the children did know their family history and of course local history was in the curriculum, particularly at KS1.

hurricanefloss · 09/10/2018 12:34

AIBU thinking there is something of the night about Steve Baker (he's on Politics Live now)?

jasjas1973 · 09/10/2018 12:38

There is Something of the Night about anyone involved with the ERG.

Hasenstein · 09/10/2018 12:39

hurricane

Definitely something creepy about him. You definitely wouldn't want to be alone in a room with him.

SusanWalker · 09/10/2018 12:39

He's a slippery self-righteous fucker.

Mrsr8 · 09/10/2018 12:45

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hurricanefloss · 09/10/2018 12:49

He's a slippery self-righteous fucker

Grin He's actually making my flesh crawl in a Trumplike way.
MyBrexitGoesOnHoliday · 09/10/2018 13:01

His very ordinary wc circle - like many trade union groups - respected not just formal education, but learning and knowledge
they shared and continually increased what they had

So what has happened that thatknowledge is now sneered at rather than valued?
I see so much if that with my teens. Knowledge and learning never seen as something good but rather as something to hide. (Let alone all the talk about ‘expert’)

MyBrexitUnicornDied · 09/10/2018 13:13

Thinking about 'changing minds'. Fracking had been ruled out in Lancashire and many other parts of the UK. It seems that this has been overturned

There’s huge local hostility to fracking in Lancashire. Lancashire council voted against authorising fracking due to this local opposition.
The government overturned this rulingSad

Seems will of the people only applies to complete shit shows like Brexit.

missmoon · 09/10/2018 13:27

jasjas I agree with you that one of the biggest problems in this country is the unequal distribution of wealth.

However “Look no further for why we ve Brexit.”, around half of Leave voters are wealthy, home-owning, pensioners. Inequality doesn’t in itself explain Brexit.

woman11017 · 09/10/2018 13:46

G7 Resilience Advisers: EU Exit Readiness and Response Support to Local Preparedness (up to three roles

Ministry of Housing, Communities & Local Government

^Location
Birkenhead, North West : Birmingham, West Midlands : Bristol, South West : Cambridge, Eastern : Exeter, South West : Hastings, South East : Hemel Hempstead, Eastern : Leeds, Yorkshire and the Humber : Manchester, North West : Newcastle-upon-Tyne, North East, Newcastle upon Tyne : Nottingham, East Midlands : Plymouth, South West : Sheffield, Yorkshire and the Humber : Truro, South West : Warrington, North West^

www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jobs.cgi?jcode=1603914

woman11017 · 09/10/2018 13:47

Yikes.
"Job description

Overview of the area of work:

The Resilience and Emergency Division (RED) supports the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government's (MHCLG) core objective of delivering local communities with excellent public services through enabling resilient localities: which can prepare for, respond to, and recover from civil emergencies of all types. The division works closely with local responders (the police, the fire and rescue service, local authorities and others), the Civil Contingencies Secretariat in the Cabinet Office and other government departments. We also work closely with other divisions in MHCLG on joint issues such as resilience of health and social care, sustainability of Local Authorities and impacts of EU Exit. RED priorities are to:

• Be Ready – help places to identify for themselves the risks they face and manage and mitigate those risks including through development of policies and capabilities;

• Respond – manage the impact of risks that materialise for major local or national emergencies including operating a 24/7 liaison officer service to local responders and provide a 24/7 information service on the impact of emergencies and their management;

• Recover – manage recovery from major emergencies where MHCLG is identified as the lead government department"

BigChocFrenzy · 09/10/2018 13:51

peregrina It's not that it helps with Brexit.
It just highlights the lack of general knowledge compared to previous generations about the causes of problems they have e.g. de-industrialisation of the NE
and hence why they voted for the same political philosophy that caused these problems

BigChocFrenzy · 09/10/2018 13:53

Indie Councillor in Cornwall highlighting fears of Brexit problems overlooked:

https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/16967251.brexit-fears-over-ferry-service/

Brittany Ferries have been warned that every vessel carrying refrigerated goods, food and other natural products
may face inspections upon arrival in France after Brexit,
with around a third of the 210,000 freight units carried by Brittany Ferries every year affected.

The firm said this would need infrastructure such as huge warehouses to carry out the task
and those do not exist in Roscoff and other French ports
and it is unlikely to be in place by March next year.

According to this report,
Brittany Ferries also said there was a risk that some ports could be excluded from post-Brexit preparations entirely,
which would mean there would be fewer entry points into France for hauliers.

The company’s CEO Christophe Mathieu said:
"The British may take a pragmatic approach and wave lorries through upon arrival into the UK,
but cross-Channel trade works both ways".

"In a worst case scenario", he said, " British hauliers carrying refrigerated goods could face the prospect of far longer journeys
– perhaps hundreds of additional miles –
to find a French port equipped to process their consignment.

When they finally get there they could encounter further delays waiting for checks to take place

The reality of this would be a loss of connectivity and a significant threat to jobs and long term investment in regions like the south west of England.”

MyBrexitGoesOnHoliday · 09/10/2018 13:53

Look at whatbthe gievrnemnt does rather than what it says.

THAT tells you loud and clear (with the Food ministry) whatbthe guvernemnt is aiming at.
Just like ut has always been clear that TM aim has always been to treat EU citizens the same than all the others. And be IN CONTROL of them.

I personally think she is becoming a small dictator. And there is nothing within the British constitution that is stopping her from doing that.

1tisILeClerc · 09/10/2018 13:53

No training given but communication devices will be provided (plastic cups and string).

bellinisurge · 09/10/2018 14:10

@woman11017 - I'm a civil servant who lives in one of those area. I'm also a prepper. Maybe I should go for one of those jobs !!!
Or, I should be pleased that something is being considered while I focus on me and mine.

1tisILeClerc · 09/10/2018 14:23

For those with an analytical mind, did the tech papers about emergency financial measures released yesterday afternoon suggest anything?
I 'zoned out' after reading the first page of 'we aren't going to do this but in case we do we will do this', which is on each tech document.

woman11017 · 09/10/2018 14:39

I am still shocked but not surprised that in 2018, this regime is doing this to us. In 2010 the country was enjoying low crime rates, highest satisfaction with NHS in years, 14 years of GFA, peaceful, relatively equitable and harmonious. We've gone from free fruit for nursery kids and children's centres, to this. Sad

Go for it Bellini Flowers!

woman11017 · 09/10/2018 14:41

They do sound like quasi militaristic roles in regional settings. I don't like sci fi much, but it sounds familiar.