So what is it that you like about Brexit, OR, what is it you fear about Brexit?

[coulditbeforever]

Just that really, whait is it you like orfear about Brexit?

Why can't we be like that?
Well please google and do tell us why.
Where do Australia and Switzerland get their money from for investments, what resources do they have?
Wikipedia says however that in Switzerland 'The foreign citizen population was 21.8% in 2004,[92] about the same as in Australia' and its increasing rapidly. Maybe they're managing it effectively? Isn't there Fom in Switzerland anyway?
(Also, my bugbear, just because EU migrants are in low-skill jobs does not mean they are uneducated. 'Migrants in unskilled jobs' doesn't mean 'unskilled migrant'. 40% of British people are in unskilled work anyway (I think, cba checking), which includes any job that you can do without qualifications, such as admin.
'Official government statistics are based on a skills classification formula put together by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), which is based on the time necessary for someone to learn how to perform the task required of them, whether through formal qualifications or on-the-job experience.'
'interestingly, (again these are estimates put together by the Migration Advisory Committee in 2014) about 60% of migrants in low-skilled jobs come from non-EU countries: roughly 1.2 million people.
Unlike the arrivals from the EU, though, most of them came to the UK at least a decade ago.'
Added to which 'ONS data for 2015 estimates that the most popular industry for EU workers overall is "households as employers" (nannies and au pairs to you and me), in which they make up about 16% of the workforce.
Next comes accommodation and food (roughly 13%), followed by administration and manufacturing (10%), transport (8%) and construction (7%).'

Yet you talk as if there was a complete invasion of EU citizens responsible for all ills in construction and elsewhere. Maybe look closer to home?

Could it be that training youngsters require investments in education, and people voted consistently for parties that promised low taxes, and lately austerity?

People vote for the conservatives because 'there's no magic money tree' and for Brexit which will reduce tax receipts and expect investments to follow?
British people get what they vote for, surely?

Back to the days of Empire eh?

I'm sure the reference to 'golden dawn' was entirely unintended as well...

But what exactly is the opportunity we are meant to be grasping??
What will we do that other countries aren't already doing?
We depend on immigrant labour for low skill jobs as well as high skills. We depend on imported materials and export markets. We've a hugely long time lag in training our own manual workers.
There is NO plan to transform the UK into this supposed 'powerhouse'. None.

I don't think 'like' and 'fear' are in the same set of words.

I DISLIKE Brexit because I feel European
I DISLIKE Brexit because I resent having my life altered by others' misinformed decisions.
I DISLIKE the misinformation and the frustration at wondering why the hell we have to abide by a decision made on the strength of it.

I fear losing my job, my husband losing his job, not having access to vital medicines, and most of all I fear being stuck on a shitty inward looking island with people who believed what they were told and are too pig headed to admit they were wrong.

I'm sure the reference to 'golden dawn' was entirely unintended as well
And the uncle joe name. They are funny.

When it all goes wrong you'll struggle to find anyone who admits to voting for it. My dad always says 'Funny that I've never met anyone who voted for Margaret Thatcher but the woman spent 11 years in no 10'. This will be the same.

I think a big factor in people not admitting voting for Brexit is the amount of insults and venom directed towards those who voted to leave.

I work in a large office where I'm constantly surprised by the amount of people who openly slate and generalise about those who voted leave, calling them all sorts. It's like the general assumption is that everyone around must have voted remain, even though statistically that is highly unlikely.

Odds are there are many people sitting around us who voted to leave but don't feel comfortable admitting it due to the things being said.

We don't care how people voted in the advisory opinion poll all those years ago.
We do care how they vote in the Public Vote on Remain or the final deal. .

I'm also looking forward to the Uk transitioning from a low wage economy to a high skilled and high wage one

That isn't why all the Tory Brexiteers want us to leave. Quite the opposite - they want to destroy employment rights and pay people as little as possible for doing as much work as possible.

Don't you remember that the first thing the Coalition government did in 2010 was to change the period you had to be employed to claim unfair dismissal from one year to two? And that was with the Libdems in tow.

• I have been shocked when visiting both these countries at how much better off and happier most people seem. Living wages and good working conditions contribute to this. Why can't we be like that*

Because the country keeps voting Tory.

But hey we have blue passports.

I did see a post from someone the other day who voted leave because the EU manages its finances so badly. That did at least appear to be a sensible reason to vote leave.

@woman11017 yes. You're right. How people vote in the Public Vote on Remain or the Final Deal is the most important thing. The world has changed loads in two years.

Don't you remember that the first thing the Coalition government did in 2010 was to change the period you had to be employed to claim unfair dismissal from one year to two?

And they introduced employment tribunal fees at a disproportionately high level.

As a result of the fees (which were subsequently found to be illegal) employees and workers could not seek redress and tribunal claims dropped by a staggering 79%.

I really don't see how anyone can think that a government that denied access to justice for the man on the street is going to emerge from this epic catastrophe having undergone a transformation. To think this cabal will initiate improvements in wages and workers' rights is simply absurd.

@5Yearplan4000

Unfortunately, so many people in this country such as those on this thread will not get behind out country and support it.

Please, tell me how to pragmatically get behind this idea.... I'm all ears.

Will waving a Union Flag make make us a prosperous nation? What exactly am i getting behind? A concept is just that, entirely. A notion. A non-tangible thing.

If you can give concrete 'things' to get behind and support, the words you say would be more meaningful. We have no real infrastructure. Our farming supplies are not enough enough to feed the population of the UK hence we heavily rely on imports. What SHOULD i F**king get behind???

Bangs head on desk

FYI it could also be said that 'patriots' have never really got behind our country and supported it. It's patriotic to support your country no matter what decisions it makes. Even if those decisions mean being part of a bigger Union.

Brexit was complete and utter non-support of our country.

{I did see a post from someone the other day who voted leave because the EU manages its finances so badly. That did at least appear to be a sensible reason to vote leave.}
While there may be an element of that, 'you 'aint seen nothing yet' until the bill and the losses that will be made for Brexit appears. I think it may be classified for the 30/50 years. Historians in 2069 will say (possibly in Chinese) 'shit that was a silly idea'.

I want to get behind my country. As one of the big noisy voices in the EU making partner nations reflect on all sorts of issues and vice versa. While having all the benefits of being in the largest trade bloc in the world.

Why didn't you get behind your country when it was doing that?

Bellini-Why didn't Leavers get behind the country when it was doing that.

This is such a good point.

Bellini - that's exactly what I think when Brexiteers say we 'should get behind this'.

Selective patriotism.

We are never given enough detail to be told what we are supposed to be getting behind. Which laws do you want to see repealed? Leavers can never think of any. Other things, like the privatisation of the NHS, so that we can obtain trade deals with the USA is something I am not prepared to get behind. A hard border between NI/Ireland, with the increased likelihood of violence? Most definitely not something I will 'get behind'.

Imagine it was spun the other way:

Hey there you lucky EU citizen!! 👋Being part of the EU is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be part of large economic trading bloc and a powerful one at that! Our exclusive members have access to the single market and the customs union, with lots of trade deals in place and plenty of up and coming ones on the horizon. All you have to do is trade!

The United Kingdom is at the pioneering forefront of the decision and legislation making process within the EU! Just think, you get to have a large hand in negotiating and implementing laws at the big table and seeing the fruits of your labour come to pass. How's that for starters? Alternatively if you don't like a proposal put forth you can simply say no thanks. Don't wish to be part of the Eurozone? No problem. Schengen not for you? Don't worry. As a fully paid-up member you're eligible for various 'opt-outs'. Pretty cool huh?

Your membership will ensure you have the freedom to live and work and travel in any of the EU countries relatively hassle free. You can even choose to get your education in an EU country- what's not to like? And if that doesn't fancy your tickle, then it's worth noting that should you choose to study in the U.K. the EU funds research to the tune £730m per year in the U.K. alone. That's a whole load of bang for your buck!

And that's not all.

Having this kind of membership ensures you as an EU citizen has the right to paid holidays whilst in employment and will also protect you legally with a capped 48hour working week. No more 16 hour workdays for you my friend!

Did I mention the health benefits included in this package? Not only is the EU working to make air pollution cleaner, it is also at the very heart of progressive scientific research, advancing the development and production of pharmaceutical drugs for a wide range of illnesses. Food and water is also cleaner and safer thanks to EU protection. Also the way in which tobacco substances are marketed has been 'de-glamorised' in rder to prevent disease and premature death!That's sure to put a spring in your step!

How about a little leisure time? As Madonna once sang, "it would be so nice if we took a holiday" and boy, was she right? Looking a bit pasty? Need a vitamin D boost? No problem! Your membership package means flights from the U.K. to the continent are inexpensive and again virtually hassle free. Just turn up at the airport and off you go! Just don't for your burgundy passport and your toothbrush!

And thanks to the EU you can also enjoy a tipple of your favourite beverage at a lower cost. Under the trade law you can bring back a relatively large amount of alcohol for your own personal consumption. Sure to keep you stocked up for many a Christmas, no doubt.

Can't afford to get away? Fear not, thanks to trade agreements within the EU, it means you only have to travel as far as your local off licence, convenience store or supermarket and you will see that a bottle of wine or maybe some continental beers are as cheap as they've ever been. Hic

Jeez, I can't believe I wrote all that . Is that not something we should've^ 'got behind and supported'?

I don't know what you are on, but that is great.
Thanks

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Well said Benjamin, we need to get all the positives out, a negative campaign is self defeating

I like the idea of taking a whole new direction, forging new and different relationships and seeing what happens, the unpredictability, the idea that this could be a fundamental turning point in history.

I fear the social and economic forces that drove the decision, the future that could be being built but is as yet still unformed, the uncertainty, the potential collapse of the whole world order as I have known it my entire life and the consequent effects on me, my family and my country.

It’s an exciting time to be alive let’s be honest, but that might not be a good thing.

Thanks Daddy. But only if it's done with cheesy gameshow music. That's something everyone can get behind!

It's an exciting time to be alive for sure. However I prefer my excitement to contain an element of fun.

Thinking of cheesy gameshow music to go with the positives we could have "Supermarket Sweep"? "Deal or No Deal"? "Wheel of Misfortune"? I'm open to suggestions.

Benjaminsbuttons - your post does summarise what Cameron ought to have said. The Government leaflet pro Remain was extremely thin. I suspect that Cameron didn't care either way, his main aim being to appease the extreme Tory right, which is why anything he said pro the EU lacked conviction.