So what is it that you like about Brexit, OR, what is it you fear about Brexit?

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Just that really, whait is it you like orfear about Brexit?

I cannot think of anything I like about Brexit. I think it is a massive mistake and the last two years have been wasted on trying to sort out this mess. The amount wasted by our government in setting up new departments to untangle us from the EU and try to make a plan going forward will far outweigh the payments we make to belong.

I fear our economy will suffer greatly particularly if we leave the customs union and the greatest impact on this will be the vulnerable and those relying on the state. I fear the affects on my family, the inevitable cost of rising food prices, the lack of availability of trained staff in the NHS. I fear our security will be jeopardised, our grandchildren and children will have fewer opportunities for working in the EU or studying.

I cannot think of any benefits. To the leaver who said our government will be answerable to us, they are answerable now. It is called a General Election. As for getting our independence what does that even mean? What exactly does the EU stop us doing? We are a tiny country. We live in a global world. We cannot be self sufficient, our security relies on cooperation with other countries. Most of the money we pay out comes back to this country. My own county receives millions from the EU development fund but ironically Cornwall voted to leave. We will have more problems doing things like building houses, retaining NHS staff because many of the workers come from within the EU. Also any contributions we make are a drop in the ocean compared to the negative effect there will be on our economy as companies gradually move their HQs over to France, Germany etc taking their jobs and taxes with them.

The fact that no one did their homework properly before offering a referendum!

I can't see what there is to like.

Or I can bury my head in the sand and make stuff up. Independence, sovereignty, our own laws, take back our borders, buy British etc etc. Nope that's not working.

Nearly all the people in my social circle voted for remain. I have a couple of Facebook ‘friends’ who are ardent leavers. One is utterly deluded and a bit racist and the other is an out and out hateful racist (I remain ‘friends’ with him just to see what someone like him thinks - I have reported several of his posts). The fact that to me they in some way represent the Brexit thinking makes me sure it is the wrong thing.

There's nothing to like. We are removing ourselves from the security of the world's biggest trading bloc just as the distinct possibility of another global recession looms into view. This will cause enormous damage to our economy, making all ordinary people a little poorer, and some a lot poorer. We are governed by a bunch of right-wing lunatics who want to see a bonfire of regulations and worker's protections, who want to sell the NHS off to private 'enterprise' and who aren't the slightest bit interested in investing in any kind of infrastructure that might keep the country on its feet.

It is a huge fucking disaster; an act of national self-harm for no good reason whatsoever. The repercussions will be felt for decades - even the most ardent Brexiters admit that - and for what? Some nebulous fantasy soundbites about 'sovrintee' and of 'taking our country back'.

I loathe what this country has become.

I hate everything about Brexit and fear it will wreck our country in all ways resulting in more inequality with everything being a bit greyer, meaner and sadder.

I loathe it too Fennel, I just can't believe that this is happening I really can't....

I so wish all the Brexiteers could go and live on a cut out bit of Britain and be independent to their heart's content.

Independent but still entitled to use public services paid for in large part by the young and higher earners who tended to vote remain?

I am looking forward to our independence, to be able to conduct our own affairs, and to having our own elected government answerable to us.

FFS - the only Leave comment and it's just the usual sound bites.

How can people spout this nonsense and think it means anything?

When it all goes wrong you'll struggle to find anyone who admits to voting for it. My dad always says 'Funny that I've never met anyone who voted for Margaret Thatcher but the woman spent 11 years in no 10'. This will be the same.

Thatcher trapped striking mining communities with no food and limited transport ( draconian secondary picketing laws) 'Brexit' traps whole country with the same.

Thatcher destroyed communities, and people knew it at the time. This time round, so many appear to have bought the Gove, Johnson and Farage lies. (Accepting of course that it was smug South East Tories who did swing the vote.)

{I am looking forward to our independence, to be able to conduct our own affairs, and to having our own elected government answerable to us.} Great plan. The UK is casting itself adrift in a small boat but at least the captain has the sovereignty and independence to divide up the few remaining sandwiches. Unfortunately the captain is not keen on some folks at the back of the boat so they won't get any.

and people knew it at the time I don't think they did, Peregrina I was living in Yorkshire, but family were in Hampshire. I remember my Coal no Dole sticker was ripped off my jacket by white lad in Hampshire pub. It was a practice run for 'brexit' with the BBC reporting lies from behind the police lines. People didn't know, especially in the now UKIP areas, and the ignorance was and is exploited by the far right.

I was thinking of people in the areas involved woman - yes, I agree in the South East they didn't know. Talk of the lies - Battle of Orgreave where the BBC reversed the footage to show the miners attacking the Police, and the police, drafted in from elsewhere covering their numbers up.

Dreadful times Peregrina.

The biggest challenges we face in the future are climate change, food security, water availability and managing migration & terror threats.
We can't shut ourselves off for ever, we should be standing together with other countries to help us address these global threats.

It's our 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that drives me absolutely round the bend. What on earth do we think we can achieve on our own?

A friend of mine is a bricklayer aged 50 and has always worked on peacework getting paid for what gets done in a day rather than just daywork
With the influx of cheap labour that has now spread througout the industry his rates have not increased that much over the last 15 years despite the cost of living increasing
This has led to it being a less well paid job and therefore less desirable to young kids who are practical rather than academic who are then packed off on a worthless degree course, which then leaves a bigger shortfall in labour but rather than an increase in rates which would broaden its appeal
The economic migrants arrived to the joy of the fashionable metropolitan set who and were then earning double what they could in their own country.A lot of them have settled and set up here now and good luck to them , a lot of them also send a lot of their money earned home rather than investing it in the UK
I dont blame the migrants only the system and the greed of people always wanting things done on the cheap .With the value of the pound plummeting this will be a continuing factor in a drop in economic migrants
I had to laugh at an Irish immigrant complaining about all of the romainans coming over for work now
What goes around comes around !
I would like to see a points based system for all migrants to the UK based on what are economic needs are and a greater focus of encouragement for youngsters to train in practical skills instead of the majority getting degree and the noose of debt

"I had to laugh at an Irish immigrant complaining about all of the romainans coming over for work now. What goes around comes around ".
There's highly likely to be much more migrants from other countries outside the EU after Brexit . At the moment there is a preference for migrants from EU countries. After Brexit there will be 'no preference'. TM confirmed there will be access for low-skills workers from 'other countries'. It'll be a free for all regarding hourly pay rates because Britain will be able to set their own.

This topic is a bit of a remainer echo chamber just like it was before the Brexit referendum. Not much has changed. Brexit is a golden opportunity for our country to remould itself in the world with a new self confidence and be the great power once again. That's what is exciting about it. We run our own show. Unfortunately, so many people in this country such as those on this thread will not get behind out country and support it. It feels like the UK has forgotten what it's like to be an independent nation state and it's own citizens actually hate it . Never encountered anything like it overseas. People should get travel outside the EU once in a while and realise there's a world out there to explore beyond the amazing success of Italy and Spain, Portugal and Greece. Jeez why would we ever want to be in a club with these "powerhouses". Most countries in the EU are in an utter shambles and so would we if we'd joined the Euro as many on this thread would have had us join in the early 2000s. Brexit is our golden dawn to be a great power again.

I'm also looking forward to the Uk transitioning from a low wage economy to a high skilled and high wage one. They do exist but we have been conditioned to think declining wages and conditions are inevitable. They're not and millions live in high wage countries. British people have just accepted low skill, uneducated mass migration and a race to the bottom as an inevitability. Newsflash - it's not inevitable. Bummer is only for those who will have to pay their staff a decent living wage once we've left the EU and tightened up our labour laws or who want bargain basement prices on everything.

High wage countries are more expensive to live in but the wages more than make up for the higher day to day living costs.

Jobs like care assistants and even bar staff for example in a country like Switzerland or even Australia get paid 3 times the rate what they get paid here in the UK . Enough for these people to have a decent standard of living, no one looks down on them and they can buy houses and have a good life. I have been shocked when visiting both these countries at how much better off and happier most people seem. Living wages and good working conditions contribute to this.
Why can't we be like that? Surely we grab the Brexit opportunity and create a wealthy and fairer society like that. By properly training our people, restricting immigration and paying decent wages.

*Running our own show
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FFS the U.K. has always run its own show.

We have always had total running of our own show over our choices of government, elections, pensions , health, education, fiscal policy, property law, marriage, inheritance, defence spending, decisions to send citizens to other wars, policing, crime, punishment etc.

In the very late (and amateurish) white paper for the withdrawal bill even the government expressly confirmed that we always did run our own show.

In addition to our complete autonomy we Chose to delegate a few limited areas mostly involving food and environmental standards and some workers rights to a joint process. As EU members we also got to have a say in the food, agriculture and environmental regulations of 27 other countries.

If you wanted us to be ‘ great ‘ then surely being a leading force in a trading bloc with a $19 trillion GDP is a stepping stone to greatness.

Surely we grab the Brexit opportunity and create a wealthy and fairer society like that.

So we were ranked 5 th wealthiest economy in the world. This has now already slipped. By what looks increasingly like a no deal Brexit we are going to become wealthier and rise to 4th, 3rd,2nd or 1st position are we ?!

Really?

What do I like about brexit?
I'm looking forward to the Trials of the eejits who funded and collaborated with corrupt and illegal Leave campaign. And interested to see how wide the legal net for vicarious and actual culpability for a range of crimes committed since 2016 will spread.

{Living wages and good working conditions contribute to this.
Why can't we be like that? }
The only reason that the UK can't be like that is because successive governments for many years (hundreds) have not been forward thinking enough to make it happen. NONE have wanted the 'workers' to be anything like equal.
Sugar plantation 'owners' who made immense fortunes and had built vast houses built for them were happy for slaves to beaten to death for 'fun'. This mentality has not gone away.