Just how bad is it going to be? No scaremongering.

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I'm very very worried as, I'm sure, are a lot of people.

Please can we have a thread with no scaremongering or speculation where we objectively look at just how bad it is likely to be if No Deal happens which Ms May seems set upon. For those of us left here with no escape route to live anywhere else...those of us who aren't currently in poverty but by no means rich, just middle earners with kids.

What is the most realistic situation we can expect to manage the horror stories and prepare properly? I'd like to try and cover all aspects of daily life which are likely to be impacted in a substantial way.

Who is ignoring the law? I'm so confused.

@ Womaningreen
Yes the passporting issue is very high level and stuff that a handful from each bank will be dealing with. Unfortunately what gets decided trickles gown to you and me at the counter which will probably appear as increased charges or whatever at some point (nothing ever gets cheaper!) but with the risk of data being moved between head offices and who knows what may be going on in the background it is prudent to do simple things to resolve any possible issue as quickly as possible. It sounds like you are probably on that, anyway.
Since Mrs May and the government haven't finished arguing about what sort of Brexit we will have literally no one knows what will actually happen and as such no one can really plan. If you are on a boat which has a fire, but there are sharks in the water, do you stay on the boat or jump in the water?
With your meds, IF they are really critical I would talk to your doctor and find out if there are alternative versions you could take if yours aren't available. Also, would reducing dosage allow you to make what you have last longer IF NEEDED. You may already know this. Write to your MP and say you are concerned and what are THEY doing about the situation.
Prepping in terms of food, not sure it will be necessary, we will have to see how negotiations go on and decide in a few months time.

Talking about law, that was the previous long post not banking.

@SergeantPfeffer ..Couldn't agree w you.. and others more. I weep for GB. This country has done so well out of the EU, and more on our terms than any other country. But foreign interference and Xenophobia is the cancer eating us inside out. Seriously how much food stockpiling can anyone person do? Lets all turn up for break, lunch & dinner at Boris' and Nigel's when the shelves empty. Its the least they can do for royally screwing the UK! :)

Meds thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3370225-I-know-Im-annoying-but

I guess I feel like OP really

I have a summary that things will get pricier, I might not be able to get my meds....these things worry me, but then people say about moving money out the of the UK....does that really seem necessary? As I say, it will incur fees and complications and what country isn't a pile of shite at the mo? If I move my (not huge) savings to a foreign bank account....actually wait, I don't want Brexit but that does seem like a doomsday scenario. Which could occur for any number of reasons other than Brexit.

If my savings are mostly with British building societies, is that really so bad? Or is it scaremongering?

The average Jane on the street won't have a clue about foreign investments either.

It's hard because there's nowhere to turn for advice without hearing intense politics that is meaningless to me. I've had a few friends concerned about foreign holidays, which I don't have, cost of luxuries, which I don't buy. I just want to protect my meds and my savings. I was expecting the NHS to be dismantled anyway so I don't see that as a side effect of Brexit. Mum has been in hospital loads lately and I see how pushed they are.

I have a check up with the doctor in three weeks so I will talk to him then about possible alternatives.

Interestingly mum thinks it's all scaremongering and won't let me put veg in her little garden!

Many remember voting in the referendum in the 1970s to join the EEC

There was no vote to join the EEC. The vote was to remain a member of the EEC.

Many became nervous however over the past 30 years that the EU wanted to move closer to political, legal, financial integration as well as economic.

The UK had opt outs - monetary policy, Schengen, justice and home affairs - more so than any other EU country.

Farmers and fishermen felt they had bad deals when it came to quotas.

UK fishermen sold their quotas along with their boats to other EU countries. You might like to look into the boat scrappage scheme and the UK government's refusal to take part.

Many were worried about the EU moving towards political union and the UK becoming a Federal State of Europe.

We even had an opt out of further political union.

Many did not like that laws in the UK were being overruled by EU legislation and that human rights of criminals for instance were given great importance.

You're confusing ECHR and ECJ. The UK on average only has 6 cases per year in the ECJ and has a pretty good success rate. Most of the cases since 2003 have been environmental issues.

@Ta1kinpeace
I am not a leaver and haven't said anything here to indicate that I am a leaver. As it happens, I was a marginal remainer and voted remain but since the vote have probably become less marginally remainer.

I was just pointing out the fact that JRM's 50 years comment has been misconstrued (and no I'm not a fan). Heaven forbid that anyone should be bothered with factual accuracy these days.

I know, but I'll keep asking because I genuinely want to know ;-)

I did give reasons on a different thread in response to someone wanting to know why people voted leave (even though I didn't). But it's just not worth the effort really because the vote is over and people just get aggressive.

JRM said: "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years."

And he also said (just before): "We've just discussed that I may not know for years to come whether ... it is better or worse."

megan I agree it's not worth asking why people voted as they did.

It absolutely is worth asking why, 2 years down the line, when there is literally not a single tangible benefit of Brexit and hundreds of guaranteed problems, they are still supporting it.

Thanks for the video link Buteo.

Loved the bit where Krishnan asked JRM "why won't you say 'if I'm wrong, I'll resign?' " and JRM replied "Because you're asking a very simple question on a very complex set of circumstances".

Bit like the referendum really

On another note I see Nigel Farage is back in politics. He hosted a Leave means Leave rally in Bolton today along with David Davis and some others. Anyone catch it?

I said he was 'on the loose' on a different thread.
Still spouting crap I see. It is deceptive as, like BoJo, about every third sentence he says something that is credible but could actually be taken 2 ways.

I don't know what I find more shocking and repulsive, the sight of David Davis and Kate Hoey on the same stage as Faridge or the fact that I'm surprised at all.

Bellini - I foolishly wandered over to the Leave Means Leave FB Page to read the comments. Just to see how the BeLeavers viewed things.

Wish I hadn't have bothered now. It's a sad state of affairs.

Yeah human rights who wants those?

Human rights for criminals..... oh I see you only want human rights for nice people. Your only get human rights if you behave.

If you want to pick and choose who gets human rights they aren't human rights.

And anyway that's the ECHR which we will stay in after Brexit.

And no GirlsBlouse17 I will not respect people who wish to diminish human rights.

If GirlBlouse looked at the vitriol and froth from the BeLeavers on the Leave FB Page she's soon realise they don't respect anyone or anything apart from Farage.

Remainers commented on it to ask legitimate questions where promptly told to 'piss off' and were called 'prat' and 'snowflake' ad nauseum.

Seems they only want a one way street when it comes to respect

@Benjaminbuttonschild - maybe if I feel stronger tomorrow I'll take a look. I am hoping that they will all get their comeuppance for this. Trouble is, we'll end up with their comeuppance too.

Ok @Benjaminbuttonschild , I buckled and took a look. Jesus Fucking Christ.

@bellinisurge you can have some of my brain bleach! And

It won't be disruptive and we will manage and thrive.

If it's not disruptive, what's the fucking point? Change is disruptive. you wanted change (although exactly what change it was you wanted has never been properly or rationally explained to me so far in the last 2 years). If there's no disruption there's no change is there.

Where's your proof @5Yearplan4000 ? Seems a bold statement to make and then not even try to back it up...