Not the Brexit Arms again

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I'm guessing surfer won't start another thread as the questions were getting a bit difficult on the last one. 😂

Thought this was worthy of discussion though

So it turns out those pesky EU immigrants actually contribute more than the average UK citizen.

Who knew 🤔

Apologies Cardinal I misunderstood what you were saying in your second paragraph. I thought you were referring to Leavers in general not DC!! In which case I agree with you.

We don’t know … We don’t know the extent to which regulations under the Act (or other legislation) will “modify” this body of law in anticipation of, and immediately following, exit day. The Act’s “correcting power” allows Ministers to modify domestic law (including retained EU law) by Statutory Instrument (SI). A Minister can do this where he or she considers it “appropriate” to do so for certain purposes. Those purposes include preventing, remedying or mitigating perceived “deficiencies” or failures of retained EU law to “operate effectively” arising from withdrawal.15 Until the (by the Government’s estimate) 800-1000 SIs under the Act are published over the coming months, we cannot say for certain how widely the “correcting” power will be exercised in practice.16

Any leave voters care to comment on the above ?

Frumpety I would love to comment but i’m struggling. You have cut and pasted a random paragraph from goodness knows where, which refers to an ‘Act’ which is not clear (I will hazard a guess is A50?) and also makes reference to ‘We’. What is the source, who is the ‘We’ and what specifically are you wanting comments on?

The quote posted by Frumpety is taken from government papers outlining some of the aspects to leaving the EU that have not been fully considered.
It refers to emergency powers that the government has taken upon itself to change laws and regulations that are currently lodged with the EU which in the case of a 'no deal' then all of these laws and regulations can be altered by (it would appear) SINGLE MINISTERS with no consensus from parliament. Meaning that important legislation can be scrapped 'on a whim' of very few people.
Although I have not looked at it but it COULD be that instead of the EU working time directive stating 48 Hours per week is the maximum that can be expected, a single minister could up it to 60 hours per week. Maybe removal of child benefit, who knows but the relevant thing is that the UK Gov has made a massive grab for power with minimal 'comeback' under 'emergency measures'.

Time my apologies , I thought I had also posted the link which the paragraph I posted had come from

www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/eu-referendum/

Also from the above link in answer to the question 'Do we know more or less than we did 18 months ago ?'

There are now also more ‘known unknowns’ and there are likely to be many other ‘unknown unknowns’

We have to have the WA signed and agreed in about 80 days in time for it to be ratified by all the other EU countries.

And of course the great unknown is why there are so very many unknowns, after two years of preparations costing £400m in 2017/8?

What is known is that six departments will have spent approximately £400m on Brexit by the end of 2017/18. Defra has seen the largest increase in its spending, with almost £100m approved by the Treasury for its EU exit work.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/cost-of-brexit-what-whitehall-spending-insight-final-vb_1.pdf

Compare and contrast that 'budget' with the admission that Brexit is costing the UK something like £500Million a week.
So the budget referred to in that paper has been 'spent' in a month.

WTF is TM www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-latest-theresa-may-challenge-boris-johnson-jeremy-corby-chequers-a8562066.html?

It does matter if JC or BJ or any other British politician 'gets behind it'; the EU have rejected it.

It's this unwavering arrogance that both astounds me and scares the shit of me.

^^ It doesn't matter!

She's just got to get through the conference and frankly she has form for saying one thing then doing another.

Polling seems to show that Tory conference goers are surprisingly supportive of May. I think Johnson has overplayed his hand.

But, like I said, it matters not one jot if she gets every Tory to support her, the Chequers plan has been rejected by the EU.

It compromises the 4 freedoms so cannot happen.

Well, yes. I'd still put money on her folding (and the EU helping her spin it). But I wouldn't put a lot of money on it and the only alternative is no deal.

I wouldn't put that much money on it anymore.

She is a sociopath.

Now if she'd come out with that in October 2016, I think there is a chance the rest of the EU would have said, 'We can accept this bit, but not that' and there would have been the basis for a proper dialogue to commence as to what areas of agreement could be found. As it stands, she was belligerent to start; the Cabinet couldn't and still can't agree, while the EU started to produce its own proposals, which rule out hers. This is almost entirely a problem of her own making.

Labour wants to take the UK back to the 1970's

The Conservatives want to take the UK back to the 1870's

Perfectly possible frumpety - look at the mess that Venezuela has got itself into.

So no leavers think that allowing single ministers to modify law is a bad thing then ? Sits perfectly well with your vision of democracy ?

Because Venezuela is such a close parallel to the U.K.

No, Venezuela is not a parallel. I used it to illustrate how once prosperous countries can collapse, which is where I think we are being led with Brexit.

Leavers will be more than happy with single ministers modifying law, as long as they are of the right side. I can just see Tory Leavers screaming blue murder if a Labour Government gets in and starts doing so (and they would, if it suited them!).

frumpety trying to do some reading around this but time has not been on my side over the weekend.

Ministers have been doing this all the time, there are thousands (I think) is SIs passed every year (assuming the main Act allows for this) and some do get scrutinised through Parliament etc. I would question whether a single minister should be able to power grab on an issue relating to an EU rule but it would depend on what that particular rule was.

Whataboutery coming up (and to prove Peregrinas point ) if there is a power grab going on I would prefer Tories doing the grabbing than Labour (and I am a floating voter before anyone accuses me of being a rabid Tory

What will be a problem is that things will be changed in haste and without full review. Look at the RHI scandal in NI. It LOOKED like a good idea but they forgot to put a 'cap' on possible payments so ridiculous sums have been paid LEGALLY, leading to some farm owners being paid to heat barns with nothing in them.
Rushed legislation will lead to massive errors, possibly deaths.

So, jumping in on a different track. I am looking for a job, because I'm losing mine because of FUCKING BREXIT. Applying online, I'm asked if i can legally working in the UK, yes, British passport (only), no problem. Next question - Can I legally work in the EU? I didn't know what to put. Yes/No option, no room for - 'yes, but only until March 2019' I put Yes as today, this is correct.

I wonder if EU passport holders will be hired over me because of this added advantage they have? I kind of hope they are actually after the appalling way we're treating them with our Brexit (fuck off foreigners) vote.

Good luck with your applications KennDodd

Time a bit of good news, hopefully the Lords can intervene with the SI's , however I don't think there is any chance that they could reject them all , given the number that will suddenly appear, they are going to have to pick and choose their battles.

I thought the idea behind SIs was to tidy up legislation which lacked detail e.g. to specify the date the legislation comes into force or to update rates of fines for offences which attract them?I didn't think the idea was to give Ministers the powers of Dictators.