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Westministenders: Conference Season

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2018 10:44

Party Conference Season has officially started. What happens could be utterly crucial for Brexit since Brexit isn't about the EU its about internal party divisions and the politics of personality.

Starting off in the Yellow Corner
The Lib Dems proposals for associate membership and a leader outside the HoC. We know that they support exit from Brexit but what is striking is the shake up of the party seems to be the only thing drawing attention and there is a distinct lack of talk of anything else - including Brexit. Yet there are hints of a tiny shift back to the LDs as Labour and the Conservatives implode despite the LDs having lost all direction. If they can find one then maybe they can throw spanners into the works further down the line.

Moving over to the Red Corner in Liverpool
The Labour Party strife and squabbling gets to be airred in full view in Liverpool; the ongoing anti-semitism row which seems to have no end in sight, the rising issues over women's rights, various Labour MPs being no confidenced in an attempt to deselect them and Brexit policy or more correctly lack of Brexit policy. Thornberry has stated that Labour will vote against any deal May puts forward seemingly in order to trigger another GE. This has been denied as being official policy, but she's a front bencher who hasn't been slapped down for disobedience by Corbyn. There are lots of rumours flying around about the party leadership being under pressure to change direction on Brexit so her comments might be push back against that. Word is that various trade unions and perhaps even Momentum are looking to push for another referendum and a much more pro-remain or explicit EEA policy.

And then there's the Blues...
Where to start with them??

Talk has changed from not whether there will be a leadership challenge to open and widespread discussion from moderate party loyals about when there will be one.

Its been said that a challenge isn't expected at conference nor straight after; the feeling is May will be left to sort out the withdrawal backstop agreement in October at least before being rudely dumped. But don't count on it. Especially in the party of backstabbers.

There's been lots of movement around Johnson too. Former close advisors say he's on self destruct but will still probably be PM. There's the break up of his marriage. There's the complete failure of his time in the foreign office where its hard to see what he actually did apart from upset people. There's his outrageous comments which seem in the style of Steve Bannon. There's talk of him suddenly apparently showing Brexit regret. For me there is one question, which seems very similar to Brexit itself: Boris Johnson has spent so much time and effort into the game of becoming PM, what thought has he given to what he actually does when he has achieved it? Its almost as if there is no plan for that...

Then theres the ERG, with their alternative Brexit White Paper which includes the magic Irish 'Not a Border but Looks Just Like a Border' Solution. Its supported by just about every Tory MP you'd put in a horror cabinet of heartless cold out of touch bastards, who would drive 20 miles out of their way rather than pass through a council estate. But even their stance seems to be softening; talk of aligning NI closely with EU - particularly with agrifoods seems to be moving away from a position compatible with a US trade deal.

And finally the original Tory Rebels, who like everyone else are firmly sticking their fingers up at May's Chequers Deal. Several have said they would support a People's Vote if May doesn't get her head out of her arse and admit the idea is a dead duck.

Look out for more 'non-Tory' style policy plans coming out over the next couple of weeks, like the talk of renationalising the railways.

So what does this mean for Brexit?
Well nothing and everything.

None of this changes the EU position. None of this changes the realities of the negogition process and the 29th March deadline.

It just is in some ways the final party show downs before decisions start HAVING to be made. Party fractures are going to be tested to their limits and the chances of it getting nasty, with the stakes being so high, are high.

I wouldn't like to call ANYTHING unless the conclusion of the conferences.

Its something we don't need as a country. Waiting for this lot to get their shit together has doomed the country.

The Recession is coming. It can not be stopped now. Regardless of what happens over Brexit. Its too late. We can only mitigate the scale of it.

This is the part just before the 2008 crash when people were saying what was about to happen, but everyone ignored. The accepted narrative now is that 'no one could have predicted the crash'. Except they could and they did. Its just that no one wanted to listen.

This is the part just before Iraq where thousands protested and were not listened to, because a politician had it in his head that it was the best option, but he had no real plan for what happened next.

This is the part when people said PFI was a spectactularly bad idea. But it kept being used over and over and over again by all political parties because it was politically easier in the short term.

Enjoy this Christmas.

Next year is going to be a rough old ride for a lot of people.

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SusanWalker · 21/09/2018 14:07

It's all of her own making with her stupid red lines.

Bearbehind · 21/09/2018 14:10

OMFG how arrogant is she being!?

It's not rocket science what the issue is with the Chequers plan- it undermines the SM- what further explanation does she want?

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:10

Beth Rigby @BethRigby
May says two areas where UK/EU remain worlds away 1] economic relationship. Says the two options (staying EEA/customs union and basic FTA, which separates NI from rest of UK) offered by EU are not workable for her. "No Deal is better than a bad deal"
Her third way is Chequers. May argues that Tusk said her plan would undermine the single market but didn't explain why. "We are at an impasse"

Richard Fletcher @fletcherr 2 minutes ago
Pound slips on May statement ....

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RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:10

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
PM - 'we cannot accept anythign that does not respect the result of the referendum' - 'throughout this process I have treated the EU with nothing but respect, the UK expects the same'

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SusanWalker · 21/09/2018 14:11

Quite Bear. And the leave side cheated so it wasn't fair.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 21/09/2018 14:11

@oliverburkeman
Is it really an “impasse” when you’re stabbing yourself in the face and the other guy is letting you stab yourself in the face?

woman11017 · 21/09/2018 14:11

What was that?

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:12

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
PM to EU citizens: even in event of no deal your rights protected

All finished now.

BBC news goes to reporter outside and the newsreader says

That statement was extraordinary and was tense and almost saying 'over my dead body'.

Reporter outside implying that in salzberg she wasn't treated personally with respect and is personally hurt.

I think she needs to grow up.

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Ofitck · 21/09/2018 14:13

So no deal then?

Beggars belief.

HowDoYouFeelNow · 21/09/2018 14:14

Longtime lurker of these threads - never commented before but my god am I angry right now.

What the actual FUCK was that?

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 14:14

If she genuinely needs the EU to explain why Chequers drives a cart and horse through the SM,
then she is clearly as ignorant as she was the day she stepped into No. 10 as PM

She is ignorant ... and a liar

mostdays · 21/09/2018 14:14

May argues that Tusk said her plan would undermine the single market but didn't explain why.

Jfc, is she genuinely that thick?

Violetparis · 21/09/2018 14:14

Doesn't solve the problem that her own MPs hate Chequers too Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 14:15

She dissed Varadkhar in their meeting
then was arrogant to all 27

and she claims sshe was dissed ? 🤦🏻‍♀️

woman11017 · 21/09/2018 14:15

Entitled, fibby, poorly read, white lady from Maidenhead is rude to forrins. Is shocked when they talk back.

woman11017 · 21/09/2018 14:17

Reference to the 3m sounded like a threat.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:17

Jennifer Rankin @JenniferMerode
Theresa May just added a thick coat of paint to her red lines. The chances of no-deal Brexit, surely just went up.

Beth Rigby @BethRigby
On the second referendum: To deny the legitimacy [of the result]... threatens our trust in our democracy. "I will not overturn the result of the referendum nor will I break up our country"
May double downs: Defends Chequers; insists what is on offer EEA/basic FTA not acceptable to her. Obvious anger towards the EU's handling of negotiations and a remainder that "no deal is better than a bad deal"

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Congratulations to all those who nominated 3)

Strong words. Gravelly voice. Nothing game-changing.

George Eaton @georgeeaton
Theresa May says it is "not acceptable to reject the other side's proposals without a detailed explanation" and counter-proposals. The EU will say that's what she's just done.

Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound
That was a lot of Theresa May's stern looks strung together. Wouldn't want to be Tusk next time she sees him. Very clear she is stung by the treatment

Ed Conway @EdConwaySky
Pound down nearly two cents against the dollar after that Theresa May speech. Markets suddenly v nervous about a hard Brexit

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RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:18

Justine Greening already on BBC News slagging off May standing by Chequers.

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RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:18

Greening saying May needs to start listening to other people.

OUCH.

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 14:18

btw, the delay was reportedly caused by ...

Power cut at No. 10 !

We'd better get used to that
(or was she really covering up her self-pity tears with makeup ?)

Motheroffourdragons · 21/09/2018 14:19

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 14:21

That's the end of Strong and Stable....

the unicorn has long bolted from the stable
There's only manure left

Wonder where Sterling will be on Monday

SusanWalker · 21/09/2018 14:22

Surely you must know that if you are a PM you have to be able to shrug off personal feelings and develop a hard shell. Mind you i suspect JC can't cope with a bruised ego either.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:22

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
PM hints at new UK Irish backstop offer - building on existing regulatory checks in Irish Sea - further divergence acceptable if backed by Stormont but no customs border

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
1. Stern tone, strong words, demanding respect - not sure rhetoric will do much to change the situation with the EU, but tougher tone will please some in her party, who've been demanding more leadership
2. Given EU was angry about her strident tone last night, this won't soothe any of the tension btw UK and other leaders - blog up soon

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RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:25

Ian Dunt is in an optimist mood today.

Ian Dunt @IanDunt
I'm in that place again where I feel the chance of no-deal has crept up to 51%.

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