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Westministenders: Conference Season

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2018 10:44

Party Conference Season has officially started. What happens could be utterly crucial for Brexit since Brexit isn't about the EU its about internal party divisions and the politics of personality.

Starting off in the Yellow Corner
The Lib Dems proposals for associate membership and a leader outside the HoC. We know that they support exit from Brexit but what is striking is the shake up of the party seems to be the only thing drawing attention and there is a distinct lack of talk of anything else - including Brexit. Yet there are hints of a tiny shift back to the LDs as Labour and the Conservatives implode despite the LDs having lost all direction. If they can find one then maybe they can throw spanners into the works further down the line.

Moving over to the Red Corner in Liverpool
The Labour Party strife and squabbling gets to be airred in full view in Liverpool; the ongoing anti-semitism row which seems to have no end in sight, the rising issues over women's rights, various Labour MPs being no confidenced in an attempt to deselect them and Brexit policy or more correctly lack of Brexit policy. Thornberry has stated that Labour will vote against any deal May puts forward seemingly in order to trigger another GE. This has been denied as being official policy, but she's a front bencher who hasn't been slapped down for disobedience by Corbyn. There are lots of rumours flying around about the party leadership being under pressure to change direction on Brexit so her comments might be push back against that. Word is that various trade unions and perhaps even Momentum are looking to push for another referendum and a much more pro-remain or explicit EEA policy.

And then there's the Blues...
Where to start with them??

Talk has changed from not whether there will be a leadership challenge to open and widespread discussion from moderate party loyals about when there will be one.

Its been said that a challenge isn't expected at conference nor straight after; the feeling is May will be left to sort out the withdrawal backstop agreement in October at least before being rudely dumped. But don't count on it. Especially in the party of backstabbers.

There's been lots of movement around Johnson too. Former close advisors say he's on self destruct but will still probably be PM. There's the break up of his marriage. There's the complete failure of his time in the foreign office where its hard to see what he actually did apart from upset people. There's his outrageous comments which seem in the style of Steve Bannon. There's talk of him suddenly apparently showing Brexit regret. For me there is one question, which seems very similar to Brexit itself: Boris Johnson has spent so much time and effort into the game of becoming PM, what thought has he given to what he actually does when he has achieved it? Its almost as if there is no plan for that...

Then theres the ERG, with their alternative Brexit White Paper which includes the magic Irish 'Not a Border but Looks Just Like a Border' Solution. Its supported by just about every Tory MP you'd put in a horror cabinet of heartless cold out of touch bastards, who would drive 20 miles out of their way rather than pass through a council estate. But even their stance seems to be softening; talk of aligning NI closely with EU - particularly with agrifoods seems to be moving away from a position compatible with a US trade deal.

And finally the original Tory Rebels, who like everyone else are firmly sticking their fingers up at May's Chequers Deal. Several have said they would support a People's Vote if May doesn't get her head out of her arse and admit the idea is a dead duck.

Look out for more 'non-Tory' style policy plans coming out over the next couple of weeks, like the talk of renationalising the railways.

So what does this mean for Brexit?
Well nothing and everything.

None of this changes the EU position. None of this changes the realities of the negogition process and the 29th March deadline.

It just is in some ways the final party show downs before decisions start HAVING to be made. Party fractures are going to be tested to their limits and the chances of it getting nasty, with the stakes being so high, are high.

I wouldn't like to call ANYTHING unless the conclusion of the conferences.

Its something we don't need as a country. Waiting for this lot to get their shit together has doomed the country.

The Recession is coming. It can not be stopped now. Regardless of what happens over Brexit. Its too late. We can only mitigate the scale of it.

This is the part just before the 2008 crash when people were saying what was about to happen, but everyone ignored. The accepted narrative now is that 'no one could have predicted the crash'. Except they could and they did. Its just that no one wanted to listen.

This is the part just before Iraq where thousands protested and were not listened to, because a politician had it in his head that it was the best option, but he had no real plan for what happened next.

This is the part when people said PFI was a spectactularly bad idea. But it kept being used over and over and over again by all political parties because it was politically easier in the short term.

Enjoy this Christmas.

Next year is going to be a rough old ride for a lot of people.

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woman11017 · 21/09/2018 12:48

Mightybanhammer sorry do you have a link. thanks.

1tisILeClerc · 21/09/2018 12:50

@Susan
I worked at the Mozarteum where the meeting was held, for a week, a few years ago. Working with a German tech, we had a hoot.
Sadly didn't see much of the city but the bits I did see looked super.

woman11017 · 21/09/2018 12:53

Ignore that, I've found it Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 12:59

Basic roadblock: Looking at the treaty shows that Brexit buggers the GFA

  • it assumes both the UK and RoI are EU members and made no provision for this changing.

An example of why international agreements have to be so long, to cover even contingencies that seem very unlikely.
Anything that merely requires a political decision - e.g. not repealing the law of gravity - should be covered.

Terms of the GFA
https://www.britishirishcouncil.org/about/british-irish-agreement

In the preamble before article 1:

"Wishing to develop still further the unique relationship between their peoples and the close co-operation between their countries as friendly neighbours
and as partners in the European Union"

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 13:01

JDD claims Nick Timothy is still advising MayAngry

Bloody hell - that explains a lot
but it's still her fault for letting him advise her

Violetparis · 21/09/2018 13:06

Theresa May to make a statemtant at 1.45, apparently sticking to Chequers plan !

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 21/09/2018 13:22

Anyone else think we're acting like a slightly aging rock star who can't understand how a young woman may actually turn their repeated advances down?

woman11017 · 21/09/2018 13:28

Mr farridge's official title:

Westministenders: Conference Season
BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 13:32

woman Young Kippers Grin !
If that doesn't cause erectile disfunction ....

TokyoSushi · 21/09/2018 13:35

Do you think that's what she's going to say? 'Every man and his dog says the Chequers plan is shit, but we're doing it anyway'

Or something else??

woman11017 · 21/09/2018 13:35

Grin I love the @IrishBorder.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 13:38

I have a morning in the real world and log in for the first time to see May is using a lectern inside no10 in just over 5 mins.

Fab.

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DGRossetti · 21/09/2018 13:39

Theresa May to make a statement at 1.45

Depends on the intended audience. She may address the statement as if to us plebs, but I suspect it's really a coded message to the Brexiteers in the Tory party. We already know they are thicker than mince, so will probably believe any old tosh she throws their way.

LaurieMarlow · 21/09/2018 13:40

I love the @IrishBorder**

Literally the only good thing to come out of brexit.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 13:40
  1. See sense and change her tune or
  2. Chequers is Chequers or
  3. run away like her predecessor, Cameron (but noone will pay her anything like he receives for after-dinner speeches)

She's somehwat stubborn ... so 2)

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 13:40

PLEASE NOT AN ELECTION!

Esther Webber @estwebber
'We're embarking on Lords reform'

(I can't tell if Esther is joking or not. She reports on the Lords for the Times)

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Three options for Theresa May this pm

1. Say she’s suspending negotiations because she’s run out of road to force EU rethink

2. Suddenly change position & say shes not going to sign up to the NI backstop and ramp up no deal planning

3. Ramp up linguistically but w/o substance

This sounds more like it.

I think I'm plumping for no2 combined with no3.

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RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 13:42

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Statement might be delayed

It seems like a few journalists (Laura K and Tim Shipman) know what she's saying already but are not telling.

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LaurieMarlow · 21/09/2018 13:44

prob number 3 from that list. It's all she knows how to do.

DGRossetti · 21/09/2018 13:44

Giant parrot, species ‘Ara brexitus’ found in UK. Hasn’t moved for 2 years. UK government officials insist it’s not dead and can still fly.

Westministenders: Conference Season
RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 13:45

George Freeman MP @GeorgeFreemanMP
After the EU’s clearly orchestrated show-of-strength yesterday, I hope & expect the PM @10DowningStreet will be sending a very clear signal to the EU that the UK will not be bullied into submission. And that everyone is going to have to give a little to find a sensible solution.

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
I'm sure she will say the first bit, not so sure about the last

RTB starts rocking

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2018 13:46

Bugger, it's a fast day, so I can't mainline Lindt Sad

Thomasinaa · 21/09/2018 13:46

She was a bully as a home secretary, and thinks it will work for her here too.

DGRossetti · 21/09/2018 13:47

Cognitive dissonance isn't it.

If They Need Us More Than We Need Them, then how can the UK be "bullied" by them ? I thought we held all the cards ?

Brexiteers never managed to explain that one.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 13:48

Tom Larkin @TomLarkinSky
Metaphor alert: there’s currently no power in the room at No 10 where the PM is going to make her speech. Might delay things a bit.

She's religious isn't she?

GOD IS TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING THERESA!!!!

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