Westminstenders: Operation Yellowhammer 1q

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Boris Johnson is clearing the decks for a leadership challenge.

I guess that means that the Brexit we get all depends on what George, Michael and Boris decide over lunch and how good Operation Yellowhammer is.

On the basis there are no truck movements in Switzerland on Sundays, and I believe in the summer in France too the border crossings might look ideal.
How can so many politicians be SO inaccurate with what they are saying compared to verifiable real life?
The talk of 'nicknames' for various characters (a few pages back, you have moved too fast!), it sounds like an old 'east end' gang with Dave the spam, Liam the sniffer, bonking Boris. (do we need to put allegedly or is it proven?).

This is the HOC now. Debating the Withdrawal Agreement. There are more labour than tory mps. Less than 40 I can see. Crash out is going nicely.

Ahem
I must insist on the moniker "spam-faced dave" when discussing our dear, departed leader.
Thank you

I believe 'Pig Fucker Cameron' is also considered an accepted title for him in some quarters.

mrs8 pretzels

I thought that were debating the rescind article 50 petition today? Seen no news...

I think it's just this one Hazardswan on which I think, they can't do a binding vote.
Westminster Hall debate
e-petition 223729 relating to rescinding Article 50 if the Vote Leave campaign broke electoral laws. - Daniel Zeichner

The BBC's emphasis on Barnier's comments is highly misleading. The content is almost ok, but they lead on the "change in tone" and the "6-8 weeks" and only mention in passing the "if we are realistic" part of Barnier's comments.

Barnier uses his words very carefully - every word matters.

And of course, the UK has been sooooo realistic in the negotiations to date

Nick 🇬🇧 🇪🇺
‏*@nicktolhurst*

So the Guido blogger & Sun columnist Harry Cole spent years bigging up #brexit & telling voters to trust Boris Johnson & aiding his march to Prime Minister only to now find out Boris has been having an affair with his wife Carrie Symmonds.

Karma doesn’t get funnier than this.

Fennel Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the Barmy Arms - I usually AVOID but it really was ironically hilarious that the Leavers were getting huffy, on an allegedly "all welcome" and "lighthearted" thread, when people turned up with lighthearted jokes but not of the prescribed Yay!Brexit content .

@SwedishEdith - if that's who it is, I may pee myself laughing. And I normally don't laugh at that kind of thing.

Yep.

“I think that if we are realistic we are able to reach an agreement on the first stage of the negotiation, which is the Brexit treaty, within 6 or 8 weeks,” [my italics]

This is categorically NOT the same as 'Barnier says a deal within 6-8 weeks is realistic' as is being reported, well, bloody everywhere.

Gaaaaaah.

It was definitely a fun, lighthearted afternoon Elements

Gosh, those Leavers are cross for such a bunch of WINNERS!

woman grrr was just reading up about it, I didn't realise we have no framework for annulling or rescinding referendums.

crappy country

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CDP-2018-0202#fullreport - for anyone interested.

swedish if that's true then there is some sweet small justice in the world

So we want to leave the EU which has written 'rules' for everything (in a multitude of languages) to revert to the UK system of 'make it up as we go along and not write it down ' as someone can object and overturn it anuway.

we have no framework for annulling or rescinding referendums.

But it was only an advisory referendum. Did it become binding when A50 was triggered or something?

Clarifying...so the referendum was non-binding which legally meant the gov was not binded to follow the results, but they thought fuck it lets do it for some reason. The Scots tried to put something in before the vote so a only a majority in eng, Wales, Scotland , NI, Gibraltar would count as a Leave win but that was shut down as not necessary as it was non binding.
Also most of the British territories abroad didn't get a vote.
Now we have no framework for undoing the referendum....that we legally don't have to follow...
Am I right about this or have I got confused? I feel confused....

Haha hester your one question summarised my confused paragraph

So the Guido blogger & Sun columnist Harry Cole spent years bigging up #brexit & telling voters to trust Boris Johnson & aiding his march to Prime Minister only to now find out Boris has been having an affair with his wife Carrie Symmonds.

Well - I laughed out loud. Thanks for posting it Swedish

Hester, hazard The referendum is still only advisory and does not actually need undoing to be ignored

BUT
A50 has been invoked, which is an internationally binding legal process
so
Brexit will happen on 29 March ...
unless the UK govt requests the EU to be allowed to revoke it AND the E27 members unanimously agree

Of course, UK politics are a separate issue to the legal side:

Currently, May would be brought down by her own party if they suspected she would revoke A50
and Labour also fear electoral damage if they even hint at this

However, revoking A50 remains possible as a last ditch emergency rescue in early 2019,
if Sterling falls off a cliff and takes the economy with it
i.e. if the run-up to Brexit Day is much worse than current predictions

< sniggers with swedish >
Yes, it's petty, but let's grab every laugh we can

Brexit will happen on 29 March ...
unless the UK govt requests the EU to be allowed to revoke it AND the E27 members unanimously agree

Isn’t there a court case brought by Jo Maugham in Scotland to try to get the ECJ to rule on this? I seem to remember there being a positive development back in July regarding the appeal?

The case has been brought to ask the Scottish judges to refer the case to the ECJ

The judges said before that they couldn't do this before the UK actually decided to revoke, if it did.

The appeal was made mid-August to the Scottish Court and the decision is expected in a few weeks.
If that fails, campaigners could appeal again to the Supreme Court in London.

All this takes time
It also seeks to entangle the ECJ in forbidding E27 governments to do something in the future, if a theoretical possibility happens
So the ECJ would have to decide whether to take it ... or back away hurriedly !
If they did, they would need time to hear the case and then make their decision

The first problem is UK politics:

neither the govt nor Labour have even hinted they wish to revoke A50
So if the govt decides to do so at the last moment, no time to start a court case then

In practice, if they did, most E27 members would agree - but fume ! - and the remainder could probably have their arms twisted / maybe even receive concessions from the UK

BUT
the main condition would be the UK agreeing it cannot call another Brexit ref for say 15 or 20 years - this is to stop the UK or anyone else using A50 to get better terms, or even to try to wreck the EU's normal business.

This would infuriate Leavers, because the next generation is likely to be very Remain
So it would probably kill Brexit forever.

Boris Johnson's conduct in the Nazanin case could certainly fall under the misconduct in public office definition.