Foreign holiday

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I know very little about the implications of Brexit on free movement post March next year, so please forgive the naive question and if possible direct me somewhere I can learn more!

We're looking at taking a holiday in Europe 2 weeks after brexit. We would either use the Chunnel or boat to Calais. I've got 2 small children and neither would tolerate very long queues (2 hours+) to check in. Is this a silly idea? Will we need visas?

The simple answer is 'nobody knows'.
The more difficult answer is 'nobody knows'.
When the shape of any sort of deal appears then some might be able to hazard a guess.
Long queues are gong to be VERY likely whatever the outcome unless Brexit is called off completely.

There is a thread about skiing, which despite it's title runs through some of the aspects of traveling anywhere, anyhow around March 20th onwards.

I would book a holiday in the UK instead, to be honest.

We've just got back from Spain and were sent a questionnaire by the holiday company about customer satisfaction. Interestingly the last few questions were about whether we're considering holidaying in the EU, or more likely to stay in UK or do long haul next summer.

We're planning a UK holiday next year.

Interestingly the last few questions were about whether we're considering holidaying in the EU, or more likely to stay in UK or do long haul next summer.

Wow. That IS interesting. I've no idea what to expect or do.

On the basis the Government manages to make a deal of some sort, apart from some disruption around 'Brexit time' there is no reason not to go to Europe for a holiday. There may be a LOT of aspects to sort out but they will get resolved sooner or later. What it might cost or details like Passports, Visas, Insurance etc are all currently unknown.

Planning to go abroad two weeks after Brexit is risky though.

I got the impression that this holiday company which mainly does Spanish and Greek based package holidays is considering branching out into longer haul destinations and that even if EU travel does not turn out to be compromised, that they didn't want to be stuck with holidays they can't persuade people to buy.

There were also questions about whether feeling less welcome in the EU after Brexit would put me off booking, worries about the pound crashing between booking and travelling were a factor. EHIC cards, etc.

I did find it interesting, maybe I need to get out more ( to non EU nightspots)

If/when the Pound takes a battering ALL holiday destinations will get more expensive whether EU or not.
Leaving will take the holiday 'arrangements' Visa, insurance etc back to pre EU days. Not necessarily difficult just another few things to be sorted out. At the moment you could pop down to Dover, nip across to France for the day and back in time for cocoa with a shopping bag full of wine and cheese. After Brexit will take a bit more forethought.

Thanks, food for thought!

Reality - no you won't need a visa, but there is real potential for significant queues at Dover and Cheriton

I like running and the European indoor masters athletics championships are in Poland next March. You don't have to be particularly good to take part, you just need to be over 35. Lots of people are currently in Malaga for a similar event and are planning to go next March, too. But the dates are something like 27-30 March! I wonder if any of them have even considered the possibility of not being able to get home again?

I like running and the European indoor masters athletics championships are in Poland next March. You don't have to be particularly good to take part, you just need to be over 35. Lots of people are currently in Malaga for a similar event and are planning to go next March, too. But the dates are something like 27-30 March! I wonder if any of them have even considered the possibility of not being able to get home again?

Sorry didn't mean to post twice.

@Satsumaeater
If you treat it as a triathlon and get a bike you will be OK. Run, cycle then swim the channel. (lighthearted of course).

I think if you can afford to lose your money then fine, go ahead and book but I personally wouldn't be booking anything overseas (Europe or otherwise) for next year around March April, May and possibly into June.

We are very deliberately skiing in february next year rather than easter.

We can’t know. We bought Irish passports a few years back but are now so glad we did. Our daughter is about to start a year in Italy as part of her degree and having dual nationality will smooth her path of there are problems.
We’ve booked her flights, flights for boyfriend and some for us throughout the year so we can pop out to see her. They will hopefully stand (or rather take off) but we made a conscious decision not to go BA but to use European airlines. Not sure they’d be covered by insurance but luckily they were quite cheap.

www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/09/12/ryanair-ceo-warns-of-a-no-deal-brexit-says-risk-being-underestimated.html

@CherryPavlova

we made a conscious decision not to go BA but to use European airlines

It's not the nationality of the airline that is the issue. If there is no replacement for the Open Skies Agreement, then no flights can take place either into or out of the UK after a hard Brexit. Open Skies covers airports, ground facilities, air traffic control, flight crews and pilots as well as aircraft and airlines. [BTW, BA is owned by IAG, which is Spanish]

As for the question of whether or not there will actually be a replacement agreement for Open Skies, the Transport Minister, Chris Grayling, is so worried about this that he has sent letters to the individual EU countries in an attempt to do side-deals if the Brexit negotiations break down. > www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/11/uk-should-remain-eus-closest-ally-after-brexit-may-tells-cabinet

Further. Mr Raab got a ticking off from Mr Barnier for doing the 'round the back' number.
Today Ryanair is re emphasising that flights won't happen unless there is a deal.

Britons face return of EU roaming charges under a 'no-deal Brexit'
news.sky.com/story/britons-face-return-of-eu-roaming-charges-under-a-no-deal-brexit-11496063

Phone roaming and data charges cost British consumers an estimated £350m a year before they were abolished by the EU

Strewth there's a lot riding on a 'deal'. It's going to be a long night signing off all we need.

The government has acknowledged in private diplomatic letters to every EU capital that a "no-deal" Brexit may mean "practical changes" need to be negotiated with each EU capital "in order to continue existing air service and road transport arrangements

It says bilateral deals are required "as soon as possible… in the interests of public safety

news.sky.com/story/revealed-governments-eu27-gambit-to-maintain-existing-air-and-road-links-11496108

Mr Raab had his wrist slapped for these letters by Mr Barnier.
Side deals are not part of the EU negotiations.

It is also a bit foolish as the certifications and insurances etc are held by the EU collectively I think, not individual countries.
Mr Macron with whom the ferry and Eurostar deals would be needed is rather 'robust' in his approach to keeping the EU unified. Although his plans may not be universally popular he is wanting greater participation across all countries of the EU and make them more inclusive.