What Do You Think Will Happen On Brexit Day?

[KennDodd]

Do you think street parties, riots, candlelit vigils, what?

Sorry to be pedantic Talk1inpeace but John Kerr (Lord Kerr of Kinlochard), who wrote A50, is Scottish!

And yes, he has confirmed on multiple occasions that it could be revoked by the invoking country right up until the deadline.

prettybird
I'm happy to stand corrected on that .... I knew he was from the UK

Far too much negativity here. There will be a deal. I bet my house on it.

Brexiteers won't be happy but I don't give a shit about them, they haven't proposed ONE benefit of Brexit that stood up to scrutiny. But they are great at jingoism and hubris just the same.

Is the UK so uneducated and blinded by the Brexit Press or have they the actual brains to see through all the absolute shite that Brexit is? Not to me anyway. But horses for courses.

I think someone will see through it, and save us all. But it cannot be seen to be anyone from the Tory Party. Fait Accompli from the Non Governmental negotiators will see this through.

The vista of a No Deal Brexit is just too horrible to contemplate, and everyone even Farage knows this now.

Let them bleat away. Reality is not the same as statements ratching it up for the Brexiteers. I think that is slowly dawning now.

Well in my optimistic mode I sure hope so!

I think someone will see through it, and save us all. But it cannot be seen to be anyone from the Tory Party
But Corbyn will not allow it to be anybody from Labour either ....

prettybird It’s a shame he didn’t make a better job of it, every country should know what the min terms they would leave on would have saved all this no deal malarkey,
You could then leave on known terms and could have tried to negotiate the rest

Rosstac
He wrote it in such a way that he hoped it would never be invoked.
Its not HIS fault that people like you voted without thinking things through.

keyboardkate Yes I agree with you, there will be some kind of deal, I bet NF was gutted when leave won, he was hopping to make a life long career out off trying to get the U.K. out of the EU, He’s probably hopping for a bad deal so he can start off all over again

rosstac
He’s probably hopping for a bad deal so he can start off all over again
What sort of deal are YOU hoping for?

Ta1kinpeace Well he wasn’t that clever then there should always be an exit strategy, who knows what can happen in the future, it might of help Greece to leave for a while and go back to its own currency

The world will explode and there'll be no food. Not necessarily in that order.

Voted remain btw.

Ta1kinpeace

I was referring to non elected/non Governmental negotiators. Meaning highly educated Senior Civil Servant negotiators. They are out of the Press reporting loop, so I am hoping they will look after our country, since those elected seem to want to destroy it.

They will do the business and will be there whether Tories or Labour are in power.

They just cannot be given any kudos for this at all right now, but will come back with some hard truths.

Westminster is really letting us all down now. But it is so bad it could be good in the end. I don't think there is an alternative really.

The UK knew the rules. Therefore it knows the terms on which it is leaving (I try to avoid using "we" as this is not being done in my name. Scotland voted to Remain). The fact that the UK doesn't like the rules and is trying to retrospectively change them is not Lord Kerr's fault. You can't legislate for illogicality.

What May should have done is more preparatory work before invoking A50. Checking out the impact on the GFA would have been a good start No-one was forcing her to invoke it. There was no gun to her head. There was no timescale by which she had to invoke it. Indeed , she didn't need to invoke it at all as it was a purely advisory referendum (unlike the referendum on AV which is not really PR which did have a legal structure set up to implement it if it had passed). She could have chosen to say that the result was so close, she was going up set up an expert or cross-party or Select committee to investigate the options and which type of "Leave" (soft/hard/CU/SM/none) would be best for the country

Instead, she chose, on the UK's behalf, to metaphorically shoot the country in the foot

Ta1kinpeace Without wanting to start an argument, due to personal experience where I live, I have mentioned it before, I would have no problem with staying in the EU as it is ( hopping it might change) if they would bend their red line on FOM, Happy with FOM for holidays and visits and education, just need better control or a pause or a job based visa system, that’s all not stopped, and no I’m not a racist or a bigot, so we don’t have to childishly name call

I also feel that after we have left we will be quite beholden to the US.

prettybird But I thought none of this was the governments fault, but yes your right

Does no one realise that FOM is one of the four pillars of access to the Single Market?

I doubt very much UK will be given a different option to the remaining members. Not fair or right IMV.

If only Theresa May as HS used the existing EU directives and had the bottle to turf out any EU migrants after three months if they couldn't support themselves. But no. It is all an EU conspiracy.

But with no ID card regime in place, anyone could come in and stay forever really. UK fault, not the EU.

Non EU will and always were subject to visa controls.

Daft the way the narrative can be skewed sometimes.

Spot on Pretty bird

The No Deal scenario will be the Government's fault. The damage to the economy which will result from any of the Brexit scenarios (from the government's own impact reports) is the Leavers' fault, for deriding what they called "Project Fear".

If JRM had admitted prior to the Referendum that it would be 50 years before the UK saw any benefits (convenient because he would likely be long gone by then ), do you honestly think that Leave would have won?

There was a reason why the Leave Battle bus lied in big letters about £350 million being spent on the NHS instead. Because they knew that people would be taken in by it

Happy with FOM for holidays and visits and education, just need better control or a pause or a job based visa system

So basically - keep the bits that suit me and get rid of the bits that don't.

In case you hadn't seen the news, Greece has now exited the Eurozone bailout programme.

Greece emerges from eurozone bailout programme
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45243088

Iirc, the UK's growth is now comparable with that of Greece (Since the Referendum the UK's growth has fallen compared to the Eurozone average).

Majority of the people on this thread are so pathetic it’s not worth engaging. Some of you would be SO delighted if your pessistic predictions come to pass.
Instead of engaging, and recognizing that for whatever reason 1/2 of the country felt disenfranchised, you will sit on your liberal high horse and do the “I told you so” pious act.
Grow up.

1/2 of the country felt disenfranchised
How will Brexit deal with that issue?

Frank,

We all need level heads now. Ranting and raving about 52% of voters beeing disenfranchised ( were they?) led by lying and dodgy funding won't cut it for me anymore.

Of course that is if you are actually referring to the Brexiteers, it wasn't clear, but I'm guessing that's what you mean.

Yaralie That was a quote. In the bold.

I guess we'll know by mid December if 'No Deal'. In that case, I predict a load of temporary deals will be struck to cover key regulation and trade areas. Going forward, these will mean rolling crisis periods as they repeatedly expire & have to be renegotiated & some groups fluster "We can't go on like this forever!"

Another problem is all the minor areas nobody thinks to strike a deal for, in advance. Those will be overlooked with sudden weird unexpected ripple effects of crises going on as problems manifest & very temporary solutions get hastily patched together. Repeatedly.

Also, our industry & shops will move from 'just in time' mode to having lots more stockpile. This will mean waste sometimes, shortages sometimes. Shops suddenly completely out of things or prices spiking. A whole new industry of 'storage' services for goods & parts will spring up. Logistics will Boom.

I must admit I am very intrigued when HappyBrexiters say everything will be fine, because " It is in the interests of all participants." It was in best interests of all participants to not Brexit at all... yet here we are.

Plan B, I reckon, is revoke A50 in January but with politicians promising to keep negotiating for actual deal and then re-invoking A50 when the deal is figured out (when the technology exists... when the rainbow fairy kitten unicorn flies...)