Majority now support remain

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www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45098550

If there were to be a second referendum now, 52% would vote Remain and 48% Leave, an average of polls over the past three months suggests.

We must have a #peoplesvote on Brexit as the Brexit we are getting is not the one which was promised.

The reason the result of the referendum shocked a lot of people is that the media (including the left-wing BBC) and the polls believed their own hype.

the left-wing BBC

You're joking, surely? Which part of the BBC coverage of the referendum or of the Brexit negotiations so far could be regarded as 'left wing', exactly?

Or, if not the BBC, perhaps you are suggesting that the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Express, the Times and the Telegraph should also have been considered as 'left-wing' or Remain-supporting during the referendum campaign?

During the referendum campaign, the BBC stopped their normal investigatory journalism and interview techniques, they'd normally adopt in a GE and just accepted what politicians (of both sides) told them, with little challenge.

Subsequently, they have acknowledged this.

Judging how often the BBC interview Nigel Farage an have him on QT, i'd say they are definitely not left wing lol!

@username I’m sorry I genuinely have no idea what your point is- I promise I’m not being disingenuous 😬.

The only thing I can glean is that people who voted to leave didn’t actually believe all the Leave campaign’s claims should be taken at face value. And that I should hold your hand? Sorry, am a bit baffled.

@sar500 I don’t think there is anything to be sorry for either. You made your decision in good faith.
Just as it was your democratic right to make that vote, it is your democratic right to change your mind- have just watched Darkest Hour and someone says something to that effect right before the end- wish I had caught the actual line!

Sorry- I meant sar501 sorry!!!

I think we owe it to those who were too young to vote and to future generations to get this right. They'll pay for something they had no say in and that will almost certainly limit their opportunities.

If this means having a referendum on the terms of Brexit, so be it. I'd like to see four options on the ballot paper, so Leavers can't complain that the leave vote was unfairly split. Something like: 1) Hard Brexit, 2) Soft Brexit, 3) Remain, but avoid/veto further integration, 4) Remain and aim for closer integration, such as joining the Euro.

Cattenberg, I could not agree with you more. We owe it to our children and to future generations to get this right. Sadly I suspect the horse has already bolted and it is too late I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

@MedicinalGin now I'm baffled - what does holding my hand have to do with anything?

Hasn't a deal got to be agreed in October/November ? So in 10-14 weeks ?

I find it quite frightening that the result would still be so close - how can so many still think this suicide mission is a good idea. I despair.

Corbyn has always been against the EU, if things had been handled properly by both parties when in power Brexit would not have happened.

The mass immigration by low wage workers - millions from Poland half a million from Romania - housing shortage, people sleeping on the streets.

Adopting every EU law - who realised how this nasty organisation got their claws into our perfectly well run country - but place like Romania continue to be corrupt - hence citizens leaving.

I don’t understand why the Remainers whine all the time, the U.K. was fine before and will be fine after...

So you would be quite happy with a no deal scenario then Gaspode ?

I don’t understand why the Remainers whine all the time, the U.K. was fine before and will be fine after...

The UK wasn't fine before and wont be fine after. That isn't whining that is simply a fact.

The sad fact its the leave voter who voted for something to change who will impacted the most by Brexit.

The farmer who "don't like the red tape' required to get there subsidies from EU. Do they honestly think that the government is just going to hand over money without paperwork being completed.

The self employed business man who's going to trade with the rest of the world now. Shame they have forgotten how difficult it was to get payment for good and services from a different EU county before we joined let alone from somewhere further afield.

The NHS might get more money but it won't have any staff to run the hospitals.

The housing crisis won't be fixed just because there is less EU immigration. The land is still going to have been banked by private building companies, using the system to keep stock of affordable low.

All of ours issues could be avoid by the Government within the EU but successive governments from boths side have chosen not to act.

• affordable houses

If 300,000 immigrants are not arriving every year there would be an awful lot of housing available for locals, it’s called mathematics.

I think the U.K. should drop out, stop paying the vast sums paid into the EU (why?). Also stop paying all the welfare hand outs to EU citizens - free movement has meant the U.K. has solved EU unemployment instead of countries like Poland sorting out their economies and continues to cost taxpayers money.

And no they don’t all work in the NHS, hand car washes for £6 a time with 3 people doing a car however .....

Gaspode - get with it, those are the old soundbites. They are two years out of date now. It's all about 'making the best of it now'. Many EU citizens are going home or not coming in the first place. funnily enough, I don't see a glut of houses on the market.

Although BTW, assuming you are not just trolling and want answers, Major and then Blair pushed for this eastward expansion of the EU, partly to encourage those countries to throw off the effects of communism. Once again, you are back to something a Westminster Government did to cause the problems.

I trust you only ever wash your own car? However, there must be plenty of UK citizens who are more than happy to pay only £6.00 for a car wash. I look forward to seeing them pay £20.00 in a couple of years time.

Gaspode as a percentage the amount paid in benefits to EU nationals is teeny tiny compared to UK citizens.

Frumpety that doesn't make it right. The figures on rEU citizens claiming in the UK as opposed to UK citizens claiming in rEU (figures are a couple of years old) are really quite telling. Bare in mind also that these figures only compare UK with rEU, they don't give figures for rEU citizens claiming in a country other than their home nation; those figures would be phenomenal if anyone could calculate!

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/553184/EU-Migrants-UK-benefits-DOUBLE-Number-Britain-Welfare-Jobseekers-Allowance

If 300,000 immigrants are not arriving every year there would be an awful lot of housing available for locals, it’s called mathematics.
Those 300,000 migrants are not ALL from the EU, though, so Brexit will not necessarily resolve this. In fact, we may well need more non-EU migrants post-Brexit, as we begin to experience skills shortages in certain areas, so will be swapping one type of migrant for another. It is the UK government that has signally failed to address the housing situation in our country and no doubt it suits them to see EU migration blamed for their own shortcomings.
Fullfact has some interesting data on this, but Daily Express readers should beware - the article was written by 'academic experts'.

Key part of the 'Express article is :
"UKIP has always said that our non-contributory system is an easy touch for EU citizens who are out of work and wish to claim in the UK

Unlike the UK, many EU states have a contributory benefits system so were are not comparing like with like

& whose fault is that? and of course, will not stop the influx of non eu citizens coming here to fill job roles also claiming benefits if they become unemployed but of course unlike a European, will not be able to hop on an easyjet flight to go home.

Address the root causes of why the UK is so attractive to workers from across the World, leaving the EU will only make matters worse.