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Westminstenders: In the Brexit Lane

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RedToothBrush · 02/08/2018 09:25

I honestly couldn't think of a better starter to the thread than simply just this tweet

Robert Peston @ peston
We’ve got an official opposition tearing itself apart over antisemitism, the founder of the EDL running rings around the judiciary and a government negotiating a Brexit plan that its own MPs and ministers tell me is dead. When will we pull ourselves together, as a nation?

But don't worry, your blue passport will get you an extra special long wait at passport control. And no deal could lead to continued freedom of movement anyway. Something for everyone in there.

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RedToothBrush · 15/08/2018 14:49

Chris Terry @ chrisjterry
Here's a thing. Germany's state broadcaster did a 19 minute interview with the leader of the AfD without asking him about refugees once. Pushing him on other issues like climate change, retirement and digitisation. He did not come off well.

www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/567520/?utm_source=twb&__twitter_impression=true
How to Discuss the Far Right Without Empowering It
A lesson from Germany

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DGRossetti · 15/08/2018 14:53

How to Discuss the Far Right Without Empowering It - A lesson from Germany

All very well. The problem is the majority in the UK want to empower the far right. They may not realise it though.

DGRossetti · 15/08/2018 14:56

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prettybird · 15/08/2018 15:43

Re the AfD and being asked awkward questions: that's one of the reasons that UKIP have done so abysmally in local elections in England as when they have been elected, they have been useless.

Unfortunately, no-one held the UKIP MEPs to account Sad - and let them use their own ineffectiveness as an argument against the EU Confused

DGRossetti · 15/08/2018 15:48

New Zealand bans sale of homes to foreign buyers

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/15/tenants-on-our-own-land-new-zealand-bans-sale-of-homes-to-foreign-buyers

interesting ...

DGRossetti · 15/08/2018 17:39

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 15/08/2018 18:29

just spotted this rather excellent bit of eavesdropping

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Mrsr8 · 15/08/2018 18:31

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Mistigri · 15/08/2018 18:46

How to Discuss the Far Right Without Empowering It - A lesson from Germany

We had a similar experience here in France. When up against Macron in the final presidential election debate, Le Pen had nothing. Macron made her look stupid and unprepared (both true).

These people are race/culture war obsessives, to the exclusion of almost everything else. They are either genuinely quite stupid (Le Pen, Farage), or clever in a narrow, obsessive way and completely lacking in humility or a conscience (Daniel Hannan et al).

Motheroffourdragons · 15/08/2018 19:04

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BlueEyeshadow · 15/08/2018 19:52

Less pleasant eavesdropping in the park earlier. Charming older women talking about the car attack in Westminster yesterday and the fact that "the bloke won't say why he done it". "They should bring back torture. That'd get him talking. Trouble with this bleeding country is we're too bleeding soft." Biscuit

RedToothBrush · 15/08/2018 20:27

rightsinfo.org/northamptonshire-libraries/
Schoolgirl Wins Legal Challenge Against Council Closing Libraries

“The libraries offer us so much more than just books. They offer residents access to the relevant district council’s one-stop shop, blue badge and bus pass renewal, children’s services and plenty more services that residents rely on.

“It is well known that the council is in a difficult financial position but it simply did not think about the impact of these cuts and the effect that they would have had on local communities.”

It’s a case which touches on several of our human rights including the Human Rights Convention‘s Right to Education, which protects our rights to receive an education, and also the Equality Act, with Justice Yip flagging the council’s failure to consider the impact or the library closures on vulnerable people, in the ruling.

And while the ruling does not mean that Northamptonshire County Council is unable to close libraries in the future, it is being hailed as a landmark because campaigners and members of the public are understanding fundamental legal rights and using them to challenge cuts to council services.

Hmm.

Another reminder: Brexit is about removing rights.

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2018 20:35

Mother The 5-star are posturing fools, who of course don't take responsibilty when their unicorns fly home to roost They haven't yet been called out on them, e.g. this one ....

Genoa Bridge Collapse: 5-Star Party try to cover up their own misjudgement by blaming the EU

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/genoa-bridge-collapse-italy-motorway-a10-toll-victims-a8490941.html

The Five Star Movement (M5S), which has been leading the country’s government since earlier this year,
has made political capital out of opposing major construction and infrastructure projects,
which often drawn opposition in Italy because they can disruptive to local residents.

In 2013 a statement on the party’s website described warnings of “the imminent collapse of the Morandi Bridge” as a “favoletta”,
an Italian word meaning a children’s fantasy tale or fairy story.

The bridge collapsed on Tuesday killing at least 37 people and severing country’s A10 motorway.

Motheroffourdragons · 15/08/2018 20:43

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DGRossetti · 15/08/2018 21:18

In other news, the Scots court decision on the termination medication seems progressive.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2018 21:21

Other parties & the media don't pander so much to the AfD or Front National - as pretty & Misti posted
In Sweden, the other parties refuse any coalition with the far-right

However, 5-star / League and UKIP / DUP / Robinson have a pretty free run as far right / populists, without being really called out for serious mistakes by broadcasters or other parties

Hungary is scary, because the far right are the elected govt - due to the longterm effects of decades of communistic xenophobic dictatorship
Austria was never forced by its conquerors to face up to its past crimes against humanity

The far right win, when the standard sources of power pander to them instead of tackling them,
and / or when the political / social fabric has been ruined by past longterm dictatorship of the left or right and never caught up to their longerm democratic neighbours.

RedToothBrush · 15/08/2018 21:22

uk.businessinsider.com/exclusive-theresa-may-home-office-settle-status-plan-register-3-million-eu-citizens-alphabetically-2018-8
Theresa May considers plan to register 3 million EU citizens 'alphabetically' to cope with flood of applications

Adam Payne @ adampayne26
Home Office also considering alternative plans to register EU citizens by 1) sector and 2) region. However, there are concerns over the reaction if certain sectors (banking) and regions (southeast) are processed before others. Great insight from @tpgcolson

The Saboteur @ doomlordvek
Has anyone looked at the alphabetical prevalence of surnames across Europe? Ireland: lots of Os (if Irish citizens need to register). Poland: middle-to-end of alphabet.

Helene#FBPE#ABTV @ heleneSWCP
Dutch and Belgians: lots of Van. Germans: quite a few Von and W. French: quite a few de and Le. Not to mention that if you order people alphabetically, you risk mix ups (try looking up a Jacques Martin or a Peter Schmidt in the phone book). This is going to be such fun!

Henry Zeffman @ hzeffman
As a lifelong victim of the tyranny of alphabetical order I am sure the Home Office can think up a better way

Imagine every John Smith had to apply for a new passport in a three week period. How could that possibly go wrong? I'm also minded to remember the controversial cross check voter verification system in the us (which really is about voter suppression)

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Voter_Registration_Crosscheck_Program

From the article above:

Crosscheck relies on only two points of data for matching: name and date of birth. Matching based on first name, last name, and date of birth "fails for practically all common American names" according to ID Analytics analysis of a database of over 300 million unique records.

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For voters and member states, misidentification can be costly. Each voter misidentified faces incremental privacy risk when their personally identifying information is sent to at least one state beyond his or her state of residence, and risks being inactivated or removed from voter rolls. In Ada County, Idaho, election officials relied on Crosscheck's list of "potential duplicate registrants" to mistakenly remove 765 voters. None were duplicate registrants.

And yes there is a real danger of certain groups being more affected than others, alphabetting won't stop that:

The loose matching standards used to identify "potential duplicate registrants" by the Kansas Secretary of State also raise significant concerns about the opportunity for racial bias in list maintenance. According to "Health of State Democracies", "50 percent of Communities of Color share a common surname, while only 30 percent of white people do," so that in the program's flagged lists, "white voters are underrepresented by 8 percent, African Americans are overrepresented by 45 percent; Hispanic voters are overrepresented by 24 percent; and Asian voters are overrepresented by 31 percent".

After examining "potential duplicate registrant" lists from some of the participating states, investigative reporter Greg Palast claimed the Crosscheck system "disproportionately threatens solid Democratic constituencies: young, black, Hispanic and Asian-American voters" with the intention of securing Republican victories. Palast concluded this was achieved by eliminating discrete individuals based on nothing more than similarity of name, a method with a "built-in racial bias" that especially eliminated voters from targeted minorities with a more limited pool of given names, for example, Hispanic voters named Jose Garcia.

No this isn't about voting, but if Mohammed Mohammed from France has more problems than his fellow EU citz, that might be an issue.

This is a department with a poor reputation on racial awareness and prejudice so if this is what they are planning, its worrying.

I'm a late alphabet myself. I also didn't take DHs early alphabet surname. Could that also lead to problems and break ups of families?

Btw did you know that early alphabeters are more likely to be elected; especially in elections where you are required to tick more than one name. People favour those closer to the top of the ballot paper.

Alphabetting solves fuck all, and creates other problems and potential risk.

I worry about the degree to which this is known and why that might prove attractive...

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frumpety · 15/08/2018 21:28

Chris Grayling jumped from being asked a question about Boris this morning on R4 to lambasting alleged terrorist supporter Jezza , the woman interviewing him didn't let him get away with it , although they both got a bit weirdly disjointed towards the end and then she essentially just cut him dead in his tracks, which was a blessed relief !

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2018 21:30

Yes, DG until I read this earlier, I hadn't realised:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45196213

Scotland leads the way !
high time for England & Wales to follow - and hope NI Unionism drags its sorry arse out of the 18th century

SPUC fuming of course & likely to appeal

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2018 21:33

Sorry, for those who haven't hréard:

Women in Scotland will still be allowed to take abortion pills at home after a legal challenge against the move was thrown out.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2018 21:41

Another initiative from the SNP which I missed at the time:
(From Nov 2017) Women from Northern Ireland can now have free abortions through the NHS in Scotland. !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41879520

If Scotland can do this, then so can England & Wales.
It just takes the will to help NI women have equal rights in the UK - provided they can travel to the British mainland

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2018 21:44

To clarify, NI women can now get free abortion anywhere on the British mainland - but they still have to manage theb travel themselves

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2018 21:47

Franz Fischler, a former European Union commission: A no-deal Brexit will be a disaster for the UK’s young people

(and for us old'uns)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/no-deal-brexit-young-people-cultural-connections

Yaralie · 15/08/2018 22:08

The referendum was a fraud and the government contuining to defend that fraudulent result invalidates their pretense of being a legitimate government acting in the interests of the country.

DGRossetti · 16/08/2018 06:42

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