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Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer

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RedToothBrush · 24/07/2018 19:57

May has officially demoted Raab and the Brexit Department to just being responsible for practical implimentation in the UK and not negogitions.

This shouldn't be a surprise, its been the case in reality for some time, much to David Davis annoyance.

The official government position now seems to be scare the shit out of everyone about the possibility of No Deal in order to force the EU to make a deal. Jeremy Hunt has been dutifully spelling this out, by talking about an 'accidental' Brexit.

The government are already outsourcing responsibility for this potential eventuality to industy and business by telling them they need to stockpile food in order to keep supply lines going. This WILL mean price rises will start to happen soon. It also means there is no coordinated government plan and if businesses can't afford to do this as its heavily dependant on having sufficient cash flow in reserve to be able to do it, or don't want to, then you, me and everyone else is going to be well and truly on their own. Whilst the public are not being told to stockpile, its hard to justify not doing so, if this is the current government line.

The government has also done a u-turn on when the repeal of the European Communities Act will come into force. They fought hard to have it fixed for 29th March 2019. Thats now been rolled back to Dec 2020. This is fine, but in practice, makes no difference what so ever if we have no deal or the EU refuse to honour a transition deal on the terms the UK want. The ERG will also go nuts at it and try to get May to roll back on it.

Raab has also made a point of saying that if we don't have a deal by October (rather than midnight 29th March 2019) we are going into No Deal land by default.

Parliament has now broken up for the summer, with May surviving, so things are likely to be a little quieter for a few weeks, but come September this is all going to blow up with avengance.

If you think the last few weeks have been a rollercoaster, just wait for the Autumn.

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SusanWalker · 25/07/2018 20:57

I don't really care if people think I'm a traitor. I'm not really a joining in kind of person so patriotism leaves me a bit cold. When they had that jubilee where she went on the barge i was just grateful i was in France on holiday out of the way.

I just feel like some of our modern national constructs are a bit odd. Going on holiday to Brittany as a (sort of) Cornish person, is a lot less of a culture shock than going to the lakes for example.

Somerville · 25/07/2018 21:00

I thought MN seemed quiet... and then realised Westministenders had dropped off my TIO.

Welcome to the dark side, BTW. I've been a traitor all my life. Smile

Peregrina · 25/07/2018 21:01

“The UK Parliament is sovereign, the Scottish Parliament is not.”

Pity he didn't state this in May 2016. Some Brexit voters clearly wasted their vote, voting for Sovereignty.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2018 21:05

< waves to woman. Nice to feel wanted, thanks Thanks >

Ever more traitors in NI; with this %, many of them must normally be Unionists

How long before this affects the DUP vote ?
Any chance ( asking hopefully) that a saner Unionist Party could replace them as Nr 1 ?

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/brazen-paisley-emblematic-of-dup-disregard-for-accountability-1.3575345

the proportion of those in the North who would vote to remain in the EU has risen from the 56 per cent who voted this way in the referendum to 69 per cent.

woman11017 · 25/07/2018 21:14

Susan, Part 2 ( not my Marxist Blackadder stuff, 😊) of my unfaith in nationhood would defer to geology. The rocks beneath us dictate more about our similarities than we choose to know. Hence similarities physically and ethnically between Hebrides and Cyclades and the beautiful chalkland which goes across the channel etc. We just ants on stones.

woman11017 · 25/07/2018 21:19

Should read 'We are just ants on stones' (except Scots and Greeks who dug and still dig the enlightenment)

MimpiDreams · 25/07/2018 22:05

So the wotsit man has just announced that the US will now be working towards a free trade deal with the EU. Bet Theresa never saw that one coming.

prettybird · 25/07/2018 22:17

Love the "Wotsit man" Grin. Perfect!

Continuing the metaphor, you'd need to wash your hands if you touched him Wink - and I observed that Junker avoided shaking hands with him after their press conference.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2018 22:27

Labour MP charged with perverting the course of justice

Allegedly wrt speeding, very reminiscent of Chris Huhne case

She is a Corbyn supporter
Peterborough is a very marginal seat, won in 2017 from DD's chief of staff, a prominant Brexit

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/25/labour-mp-fiona-onasanya-charged-perverting-the-course-of-justice

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2018 22:35

The Graun Live says
www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/jul/25/brexit-uk-cannot-afford-not-to-have-a-deal-says-irish-government-politics-live?page=with:block-5b58551ee4b04e725d9cfc1d#block-5b58551ee4b04e725d9cfc1d

"Whereas over a third (35%) of Brits trusted May to successfully negotiate Brexit at the start of the year, now it’s only one in four (26%). "

I'm shocked,
that 26% still believe May can successfully negotiate anything Confused except a quick dash through the wheatfields

prettybird · 25/07/2018 22:52

I suspect that a significant? proportion of those that that still trust May do so because either they are conditioned to believe that "their betters know what they are doing" Hmm and/or they can't allow themselves not to trust her as their whole belief system would come tumbling down.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2018 22:58

Imo, refusal to believe that Brexit won't go brilliantly

Incredible when one remembers how previous govts have been hammered - for far less than risking shortages of food & medicines
The govt failing criteria I never considered having to apply to a UK govt

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/25/trump-scandal-president

There was a time when a government admission that it was having to plan for the possibility that food and medicine would run out – not through natural disaster, but because of a policy it was pursuing – would have been terminal.
Now it’s just another day in Brexit.

The problem seems to be that a chunk of the electorate – whether diehard Trump supporters or hardcore Brexiters – is impervious to any countervailing evidence

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2018 23:39

Plague of Rats

Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer
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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2018 23:41

www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/lesterfeder/boris-johnson-steve-bannon?__twitter_impression=true
Boris Johnson Has Been Privately Talking To Steve Bannon As They Plot Their Next Moves
One is a potential frontrunner to be the next UK prime minister; the other wants to help nationalists win in Europe. BuzzFeed News reports for the first time that they're in regular contact.

Ugh.

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2018 23:46

Panic NOW!

Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer
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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2018 23:55

Arron Banks @ corruptfascist
I’ve just received a letter in the Wilbur Smith trilogy from @Channel4News planned for broadcast tomorrow accusing me of planning a military coup in Lesotho. I’ll compose my letter tomorrow after a cup of tea! @jonsnowC4 @cathynewman @carolecadwalla wow!

Carole Cadwalladr @ carolecadwalla
Amazing! It seems like the story of @arron_banks and the deadly rocket launchers may soon be coming out...

The BBC have also decided to go after Banks by the look of it too, following the revelation he gave money to a Lesotho politician. (Its a british criminal office to bride a foreign politician).

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2018 23:59

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-44954587?__twitter_impression=true
Harrods big spender fights to keep mansion

The fugitive wife of a "fat cat banker" who's spent £16m in Harrods is battling to keep her London mansion after the UK's first use of a new power to combat international corruption.

And

During the first challenge to an UWO, the High Court revealed that "Mrs A" is the wife of a state banker from a "non-EEA country", that also cannot be named for legal reasons.

A non eea country? Why phrase like that?

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prettybird · 26/07/2018 00:00

I just can't get over that a Government - a minority one at that - is still in power after admitting that in peacetime it is having to plan to stockpile food and medicine because of a SELF INFLICTED ACTION

ShockAngryConfusedHmmShockAngryConfusedHmmSad

Buteo · 26/07/2018 00:28

A non eea country? Why phrase like that?

She’s here on a Tier 1 investment visa - available to those with £2 million to invest and from a non EEA (including Switzerland) country.

London has long been a place to wash dirty international money.

Buteo · 26/07/2018 00:36

Not sure how they’ve spun it out go 10 years though - currently Tier 1 visas seem to be applicable for 3 yrs 4 months with a 2 Yr extension available.

MrHoolieswaistcoat · 26/07/2018 00:54

pretty I know, it really is beyond belief. I was speaking to my (card carrying Tory) DM earlier. She hasn’t kept up with the news for the last few days as she has been caring for my DF who has Parkinson’s and early dementia.
She genuinely thought I was joking when I told her that the government are planning to advise people to stockpile food.
My DF is on a bucketload of meds and, a delay in being able to get them could lead to him having a stroke or dying.
I feel more angry now than I did 2 years ago. I love this country, it’s all I’ve ever known and to see a bunch of disaster capitalists trying to destroy it for their own selfish gain makes me feel physically sick.
I am getting really tired of people saying ‘Well, we survived rationing after the war’.
WW2 was caused by an enemy country who needed to be defeated.
Brexit is totally self inflicted.
To begin with, we were promised an extra £350m a week for the NHS.
Now, we’re supposed to be happy with knowing that we won’t end up eating rats or starving to death or dying due to lack of access to medication. I really give up now.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 26/07/2018 01:28

I just can't get over that a Government - a minority one at that - is still in power after admitting that in peacetime it is having to plan to stockpile food and medicine because of a SELF INFLICTED ACTION

^^This, one hundred times over.

MrHoolies I hear you. DH has PD. I am terrified at the thought of him having to go without his medication.

I’m also angrier than I was post referendum- and I was pretty angry then.

One of the (many things) I cannot get over is that we’re all being dragged to the hard brexit crash out after such a slim victory for Leave. So this was the will of the people was it? We had to listen to all that squawking in the run up to the vote about how a narrow remain win wouldn’t be the end of it. Just imagine if a narrow remain vote had been treated as a mandate for ‘Hard Remain’. Let’s ditch sterling for the Euro! A United States of Europe, great - count us in! Let’s sign up to Schengen! Stop whining you traitors - after all, it’s what people voted for...

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Peregrina · 26/07/2018 02:11

Sadly though, DH, who says he voted Remain, doesn't now want to talk about Brexit. He hasn't been following the news about stockpiling food. He's still of the "I don't think the EU is perfect, like you do." and "What about Greece?" mindset. He has to be told repeatedly that no-one has said that the EU is perfect, but crashing out without a plan is a stupid idea; that something like a ten year plan with a list of all the areas and deals which need to be worked through would be better. He's shut his mind to the idea that his family might emigrate. Talk about head in the sand!

mathanxiety · 26/07/2018 06:09

Prettybird, it's the will of the people. The government can apparently do no wrong.

Wrt a question earlier about storable crops currently suffering - the answer is fodder. Farmers in Britain and Ireland are not going to have enough to feed their animals over winter because of the weather. Imported fodder will drive up the cost of meat and milk.

RedToothBrush · 26/07/2018 07:38

Harry Cole @ mrharrycole
EXCLUSIVE.. a few hours earlier than planned - thanks Cambridgeshire Police - Labour MP Fiona Onasanya to stand trial accused of trying to give away speeding points just weeks after being elected last year:
The former solicitor is due back in court early next month but had kept news of her arrest and charge secret while serving as a Labour whip.
Prosecutors say the Jeremy Corbyn ally conspired with a relative to avoid the penalty points in remarkable similarity to the case that ended the career of ex-Lib Dem Cabinet Minister Chris Huhne.

Daryll Farnsworth @ translunarmusic
Vicky Pryce and Chris Huhne got 8 months for the very same thing and so should Fiona Onasanya if she is guilty. If she does not I would be very disappointed with our legal system, particularly as MP's are meant to be held to higher account since 2003 when the other crime occured.

Were Ms Onasanya to be convicted and serve a jail term she will be subject to the Recall Act 2015 – that means just 10 per cent of her constituents can trigger a special vote to boot her out of the Commons.

The case opens the door to a prospect of an ultra-marginal by-election in one the most devoutly pro-Brexit parts of the country.

The seat was previously held by Stewart Jackson – who until three weeks ago served as Chief of Staff to David Davis at the Brexit Department.

He lost to her in June 2017 by just 607 votes in one of the biggest upsets of the Election.

So the rather bitter spad @StewartBrexit who just lost his job, might well get another chance...

Labour are proving their selection process to be less than great at a crucial time when events like this are really problematic.

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