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Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer

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RedToothBrush · 24/07/2018 19:57

May has officially demoted Raab and the Brexit Department to just being responsible for practical implimentation in the UK and not negogitions.

This shouldn't be a surprise, its been the case in reality for some time, much to David Davis annoyance.

The official government position now seems to be scare the shit out of everyone about the possibility of No Deal in order to force the EU to make a deal. Jeremy Hunt has been dutifully spelling this out, by talking about an 'accidental' Brexit.

The government are already outsourcing responsibility for this potential eventuality to industy and business by telling them they need to stockpile food in order to keep supply lines going. This WILL mean price rises will start to happen soon. It also means there is no coordinated government plan and if businesses can't afford to do this as its heavily dependant on having sufficient cash flow in reserve to be able to do it, or don't want to, then you, me and everyone else is going to be well and truly on their own. Whilst the public are not being told to stockpile, its hard to justify not doing so, if this is the current government line.

The government has also done a u-turn on when the repeal of the European Communities Act will come into force. They fought hard to have it fixed for 29th March 2019. Thats now been rolled back to Dec 2020. This is fine, but in practice, makes no difference what so ever if we have no deal or the EU refuse to honour a transition deal on the terms the UK want. The ERG will also go nuts at it and try to get May to roll back on it.

Raab has also made a point of saying that if we don't have a deal by October (rather than midnight 29th March 2019) we are going into No Deal land by default.

Parliament has now broken up for the summer, with May surviving, so things are likely to be a little quieter for a few weeks, but come September this is all going to blow up with avengance.

If you think the last few weeks have been a rollercoaster, just wait for the Autumn.

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thecatfromjapan · 31/07/2018 21:15

Thanks. Xx

Much love and best wishes to all of you on this thread. 🙂

HesterThrale · 31/07/2018 21:26

402,000 have signed so far:

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MrHoolieswaistcoat · 31/07/2018 22:35

Thanks Mrs8 These threads have genuinely been a lifeline for me Flowers
They feel like a little oasis in a desert 🌵 of shit.

RedToothBrush · 31/07/2018 22:51

www.thesun.co.uk/news/6909834/pm-overrule-sajid-javid-brexit-lanes/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Theresa May to overrule Sajid Javid and insist on special lane for British passport holders at airports after Brexit
The Sun can reveal that the PM will intervene to insist on them to produce another visual symbol of Brexit in practice

Ffs

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RedToothBrush · 31/07/2018 22:53

Okkayyy

Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer
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Apileofballyhoo · 31/07/2018 23:02

We will use the opportunity of Brexit to take back control of our borders and strengthen border security.

Wouldn't it be fun if they said something different for once?

FloweryTwats45 · 31/07/2018 23:04

Bloody hell, talk about cheeky fuckery!

Apileofballyhoo · 31/07/2018 23:04

Surely she doesn't mean lanes for the UK in other countries?

Peregrina · 31/07/2018 23:06

I read the Sun article - so British passport holders will queue for longer at peak times because of May's insistence on a separate UK lane? This is sure to be popular. I wonder if our burgundy passports will let us go through the EU gates, or will they disappear?

I think she's totally lost it, but then I think the majority of her party have lost it too.

Apileofballyhoo · 31/07/2018 23:45

Separate passport “Brexit lanes” when freedom of movement ends in December 2020 were first called for last summer after holidaymakers were hit by mammoth queues in hotspots such as Madrid, Lisbon, Lyons, Milan and Brussels.

The chaos sparked fears that Brussels will force Brits flying to the Continent to queue in slower lanes with all other non-EU citizens from the end of the transition period.

This is the bit that is confusing me... Surely UK passport holders will have to queue in the non - EU lane when entering EU countries?

prettybird · 01/08/2018 00:11

"But we're not just non-EU citizens, we're special snowflakes British non-EU citizens" (said in an M&S soothing advert voice) HmmConfused

SusanWalker · 01/08/2018 01:23

*His order came after Home Office research found separate lines would cost too much and could also create longer waiting times.

But The Sun can reveal that the PM will intervene to insist on them to produce another visual symbol of Brexit in practice.*

Those two sentences just sum up brexit really. It doesn't matter if it costs more, is more inconvenient as long as a minority of people can stand in a really long queue and put two fingers up at Brussels.

All those people who have applied for Irish passports will start travelling on them just to avoid the queues.

OlennasWimple · 01/08/2018 02:06

It'll be like when I travelled first class once (and only once!) returning to the UK. I was eligible to go through a special super speedy passport line - but because almost every other traveller was from a country requiring a visa even to visit, the queue took longer than if I had just stood in the normal EU line

But my fellow passengers got to feel special because it was a cordoned off queue away from the plebs everyone else, I suppose

Apileofballyhoo · 01/08/2018 02:09

But won't UK airports be divided into UK and rest of the world? Unless there's a deal planned for EU lines. The plot thickens.

PineappleSunrise · 01/08/2018 05:27

Every time I think someone in this government might be edging towards sanity, they double down on their previous batshittery. WHAT THE HELL?

And to think there are apparently loads of people in this country still drifting along, not reading any news or paying the blindest bit of attention to anything, but taking time out to mock people who think the negotiations maybe going a bit wrong. 🤦‍♀️

TheElementsSong · 01/08/2018 07:00

I am completely not understanding that passport queue thing Confused damn my silly littlle Remoaner brain.

TheElementsSong · 01/08/2018 07:29

Nope. Had my coffee, re-read the Sun article, and I'm still not getting it. There seem to be two different situations conflated into one article, and regardless it's going to cost more for less advantage as Susan said.

RedToothBrush · 01/08/2018 07:44

www.ft.com/content/483d9aa2-9310-11e8-b67b-b8205561c3fe
Brussels willing to accept fudge on vital Brexit pact
Deliberately vague declaration on future ties would help May avoid ‘no deal’ departure

But the disarray in British politics, as Mrs May contends with opposition from both Eurosceptic and pro-EU MPs, has convinced senior EU figures a change of tack might be needed. At present, they fear there is a “50-50 chance” of a draft withdrawal agreement being rejected by the House of Commons.

“The priority is to get the withdrawal agreement done. That will be the dignified farewell,” said one senior EU diplomat closely involved in Brexit talks. “The rest we can see after Brexit.”

The declaration on future ties will not be a formal treaty, in contrast with the withdrawal agreement, which spells out legally binding divorce terms on money, citizen rights and the Irish border.

A fudge would make the declaration an aspirational statement designed to placate Westminster’s warring factions, rather than a blueprint for future trade talks.

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ConstantlyCold · 01/08/2018 07:44

I think pretty has hit the nail on the head. Lots of people will think it’s a special British queue. And because it’s British that will naturally make it far superior (faster) to the EU and non EU queue.

RedToothBrush · 01/08/2018 07:47

Samuel Goldstein @ FBRAK
The UK was so misinformed as to make the referendum decision meaningless.

Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer
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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2018 07:52

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/martyn-mclaughlin-serco-is-a-byword-for-failure-but-the-home-office-is-at-fault-in-glasgow-1-4776441/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Martyn McLaughlin: Serco is a byword for failure, but the Home Office is at fault in Glasgow

Amidst a growing outcry from across the political divide, the Home Office has all but washed its hands of Serco’s decision to evict hundreds of failed asylum seekers across Glasgow.

Having decided that it is no longer prepared to cover the housing costs of individuals and families whose applications to remain in the country have been refused, the company is to embark on a widespread programme of changing the locks on properties, forcing people out of their homes.

The course of action has prompted warnings of a looming humanitarian crisis in the city and sparked scathing criticism of the outsourcing company.

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2018 07:55

Dr Liam Fox MP @ @liamfox
Beginning the day at Barclays in Tokyo, taking questions from a range of UK businesses working and investing in Japan, and Japanese businesses working and investing in the #UK @BCCJapan Talking #Brexit #CPTPP and boosting the 🇯🇵-🇬🇧 trading relationship

Dear Liam

Did you know that the EU has just agreed a FTA with Japan? If we stayed in the EU you would not need an expensive trip to Japan to talk about making a FTA with Japan...

...oh nevermind

bangs head on wall repeatedly

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Motheroffourdragons · 01/08/2018 07:55

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2018 07:59

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/jeremy-corbyns-anti-semitism-crisis_uk_5b6150b2e4b0b15aba9dd737/?__twitter_impression=true
Jeremy Corbyn's Anti-Semitism Crisis Escalates Dramatically As Labour
An interview in which Corbyn blames an Islamist attack on the 'hand of Israel' has been raised.

The Times are also strongly covering this today.

Its a total shit show. I just want this to end now too. Its awful to keep reading.

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TheElementsSong · 01/08/2018 07:59

Why would we think we would be treated differently from all other non-EU citizens after Brexit?

Because we're speshul British snowflakes .