What is the solution to the Irish border?

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Keen to hear, as I am struggling.

I forgot the other option, so kindly suggested by Nigel Lawson. Irexit.

Irexit is the most toxic of all. Back to being a colony of the UK again basically. Generally (but not always) espoused by ignorant pro-Brexit unionists, often with a bit of anti-irish rhetoric on the side.

What does Monaco and France do ?
Monaco isn't in the EU.

beanaseireann

What does Monaco and France do ?
Monaco isn't in the EU

From Wikipedia bean:

Monaco is not formally a part of the European Union (EU), but it participates in certain EU policies, including customs and border controls. Through its relationship with France, Monaco uses the euro as its sole currency (prior to this it used the Monégasque franc).

The Vatican and San Marino are two other states not in the EU, bordering on Italy, where there is no hard border.

But all those small states are very dependent on the country adjacent/surrounding them. Nor have they been at war with the other country that I know.
The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man aren't in the EU either. What do they do? (Provide tax havens for the wealthy.)

But all those small states are very dependent on the country adjacent/surrounding them.

How so? San Marino depends on Italy for energy, the Vatican for the production of banknotes and coins. Other than that they are 2 independent states

I think Monaco gets all its water from France. Where do small states grow/produce their food? I strongly suspect that problems in the neighbouring countries would also affect these small states.

Peregrina

Re San Marino they produce food and import, just like all other countries do.

As for problems, in italy there is rising poverty and the 2008 crisis is still rampant, in San Marino the crisis was felt less and has been overcome. They have lower unemployment and poverty rates and they gdp rises more than Itay's 0,01%.

But the point is, independent states bordering the EU and no hard border. So why push for one in a zone where war is not such a distant memory and where the potential political turmoil could take us back 30 years? I personally feel it's a great deal. Of cuntfuckery from the dup and Teresa may

AmalfiMamma
'....but Monaco isn't in the EU.'
My point exactly.
So what do Monaco ( not in EU and France in the EU) do ?

beanaseireann
I posted a photo of their border. It's like the one we currently have.

Even the Swiss who have a physical border with the eu do not police it the the one we had was. Most ppl don't realise that the border we had was more like the entrance to an open air prison with watchtowers, snipers and every single car being stopped and searched.

And personally I don't want to go back to it

I think one point being missed here, is that the UK can't be trusted not to flout the rules. We have already seen a backstop agreed, with Davis immediately trying to say, no it wasn't. We then had the EU try to put it into a legal agreement, with May now trying to go back on that over this last week.

Will e.g. San Marino be making a deal with the USA to import chlorinated chicken and factory farmed beef and then slip it into Italy?

All this stuff about Monaco, San Marino etc. is a red herring. It reminds me of Daniel Hannan immediately after the Referendum result burbling on that Liechtenstein didn't have Freedom of Movement. Yes chum, because they are a small state with a population the size of Oxford and hemmed in by mountains. Not a country of 65 million with plenty of space still.

Monaco and San Marino and the Vatican are separate countries. NI is part of the UK.
The best solution would be to stay in the EU. Or, contrary to the wishes of the current majority in NI, give the land to Ireland. Or create a special trade zone which is the previous option by another name.

Give the land BACK to Ireland I presume you mean.

@Jasperoonicle - of course that's what I mean. But I was trying to indulge those people who don't get it.

I know I’m only one faceless voice and this probably isn’t the thread to say it but I honestly can’t express how angry I am that this has been done to us. We’ve been shit on yet again by the U.K. government. The government that wanted us so badly, and for what? To forget about us. To hold us in such utter contempt. I’m so angry.

@AWomanIsAnAdultHumanFemale - plenty of people were warning about this on here. I know that this didn't get seen by everyone but it's clear that enough people were making noise about how reckless this was. Acting all surprised is just vomit inducing.

Oh I know. I remember all the threads at the time. I was on plenty of them. It’s just disgusting.

Yes it's very very frustrating.
It was foreseeable; it was talked about; the Irish government made lots of noises about the implications of Brexit- before the vote.

There have been several threads on here recently- and I get the sense that Irish posters are talking to themselves.

It seems to me that the greater British public are just not engaging with it.
I can understand that mindset...after all, the mess that successive British governments have made in Northern Ireland, is not one with an easy solution.
Expecting the Irish government to mop up the mess that they've made is infuriating.
It's lazy-minded.

I hear hints that the German and French governments are also becoming frustrated....and of course it is far easier to say to little Ireland "you guys suck it up on your border" instead of them the EU having it out with the British...who are already sulkily withdrawing from the party.

I suspect that if Ireland 'incurs expenses' due to Brexit that the EU will help out at some point, as they will be doing for enhanced port facilities in France for example.
I can't imagine the Italians and others being asked to cough up to bail out the UK's stupidity going down too well either.

It's a brilliant lesson in the evils of colonialism. Irish people were starved, raped, without legal defence and forbidden to practice their religion, speak their language or go to school. Their land was taken from them, given to others and two cultures with different amounts of power were forced to exist on the same piece of ground. It's the most appalling mess. The fear that each culture had of the other was beginning to die among many young people. We had found a delicate balance - just. And now the English are taking that too. And more people in Northern Ireland will probably live in fear and die as a result.

If you're going to steal a child, the least you could do is look after it.

The best answer...

Stay in the EU.

Sadly @Theworldisfullofgs , that bird has flown. The majority for Remain in NI despite sectarian divisions should've been a powerful clue.