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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 07:39

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c3ba5072-8df1-11e8-8c1a-b63727488402
No deal on Brexit risks civil unrest, says Amazon
Tech firm warns minister at business summit

The head of Amazon in the UK has said that there could be “civil unrest” within two weeks if Britain leaves the European Union with no deal.

Amazon UK became the first business to issue such a warning. It was given at a meeting on Friday organised by Dominic Raab, the Brexit secretary.

Doug Gurr, UK manager for the American online giant, told the other guests, who included representatives of Britain’s biggest businesses, that this worst-case outcome formed part of his contingency planning.

The remark stunned those present, with some expressing scepticism about Amazon’s forecast.

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 07:40

Here's a big David Allen Green stylr

WELL

from Westminstenders.

Thank you Amazon.

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Peregrina · 23/07/2018 07:48

Are we going to have more 'Project Fear' or be told to 'Get Behind Brexit', as were EU firms Airbus, BMW etc. told, or will it be different because Amazon is American?

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 07:49

Jennifer Rankin @ jennifermerode
Theresa May didn't re-open Brexit divorce settlement at a recent meeting with an EU leader.
Seems Dominic Raab is freelancing on this issue w/o backing of PM.
EU will want to know whether May is still in charge.

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 07:53

Peregina it will be interesting to see the line. The story seems to have become the big one of the day already.

Can't wait for "A spokesman for No 10 says The Prime Minister is committed to buying from her local high street and grocery stores" which completely missed the point.

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/07/2018 07:59

From last year, but reminded me of the horrors E27 citizens, even kids, in the UK already suffer from the Home Office.
Kafka would have had a lot to write about Brexit:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/13/european-couple-stunned-as-uk-born-children-denied-residency

A Dutch and Spanish couple who have lived in Britain all their adult lives have told of their “devastation” after the Home Office refused their post-referendum application to have their two London-born children recognised as permanent residents of the country.

Jan-Dinant Schreuder and Monica Obiols, both 49, found themselves in a “bureaucratic nightmare” when they were told their 15-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter had to provide more evidence that they lived permanently with their parents.

“What evidence are they supposed to have?
They don’t have council tax bills or proof of where they live. They are children,”
said Obiols. “They have gone to school here all their lives, English is their mother tongue. I was just so shocked when we got the refusal letters.”

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 07:59

Love the Times this morning. We have the Amazon story, coupled with a story about how doctors are giving out gardening courses instead of pills. Perfect for Brexit Britain where you'll need to grow your own and won't be able to get drugs. We also have a story about an app which tells you how much coffee you really need, which will be great for rationing. And finally we have a picture of the 10th Brit to summit K2 the world's second highest mountain to evoke to spirit of the Empire in 1952.

Brilliant!

I'm betting we will see lots more like this.

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 08:02

Classical liberals like Rees Mogg and Toby Young believe in Social Darwinism.

They'll be thrilled to bits at this story

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Mrsr8 · 23/07/2018 08:04

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Peregrina · 23/07/2018 08:10

Being thrown out of EU wide rare-disease care? The knee jerk response from our Brexit friends - EU bullying, not a consequence of saying that we want to Leave the EU. Health care is being compromised anyway as EU staff leave.

I do see some sense in gardening courses instead of pills - a move towards encouraging a healthier lifestyle is to be welcomed.

Mrsr8 · 23/07/2018 08:13

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HermioneGoesBackHome · 23/07/2018 08:24

I have no issue with gardening course instead if apill. In SOME cases, it will be much more efficient (see depression for example).
Actually that’s ort if approach is well researched now.

Today I am sad. Newspapers are now openly talking about a far right government, martial law, civil unrest etc etc
I have seen that coming for the last two years. Maybe even longer if talking only about the rise in racism and the approach about ‘foreigners’ in general. All the ingredients have been here for a while now, much before Brexit actually.

So I am sad. Sad about the change in the country where I’ve lived for nearly 20 years. Sad for the people who won’t be able to leave and will have to deal with the fall out.
And sad because the life I have build here has exploded in front of my eyes.

Flowers to everyone. I am aware that I have a door open to me to just go away. Which most people don’t.

FridayThirteenth · 23/07/2018 08:32

I'm actually feeling quite scared now.

It's inconceivable to me that we have news outlets openly discussing civil unrest and yet most people (on the surface at least) are still shrugging it off.

Even DH who I know it concerned thinks I am reading too much and that not thinking about it too much is a better course of action.

We don't have any escape options so maybe he's right, but I just feel so worried for the future my children will have.

Nobody voted for no deal, nobody. All the leave patter was about the great deal and bright future we would have.

Why are so many people still backing this? I really don't get it.

When Jacob Rees Mogg is wiping his hands of responsibility for the impending shit show by saying we won't see the benefits until most of us are dead, surely even the most ardent of leavers would start to question the sanity of doing this?

I feel like someone needs to save us, almost half of voters didn't want this and are being disregarded completely, and our children who will live longest with this didn't have a voice at all.

I'm trying to speak about it more widely but seeing as the vast majority of my friends voted remain I'm not changing anyone's minds.

What practically can we do?

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 08:34

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/javid-drops-objection-to-death-penalty-for-british-terror-pair-ns8bkqjn7?shareToken=4187130ee4aceea1e5f7ffa2faa86475
Sajid Javid drops objection to death penalty for Isis Britons

Are we allowed to send anyone to their potential death?

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Mrsr8 · 23/07/2018 08:37

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/07/2018 08:40

If you intend to go, MrsR8 I suggest booking now to leave by the very latest 15 March, to avoid possible pre-Brexit disorder, flights being reserved for "essential" traffic etc.
You could book a 3 -6 months return and decide, according to how Brexit goes, whether you want to stay away

Even a Norway+ deal in the available time might cause slight disruption as systems change in a hurry.

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HermioneGoesBackHome · 23/07/2018 08:43

RTB after the referendum, they asked Leavers if they would support a few thing, incl the death penalty. Most of the Leavers were in favour of the death penalty (and. Corporal punishment at school).

That’s what it is. Another step in fulfilling the big Leavers dream.
Or the first step to make us get used to have the death penalty again in the U.K. whatever way you want to look at it.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/07/2018 08:44

If you wait until no deal disaster is certain, then flights may be booked solid
When panic starts, it can escalate very quickly
Also, with a very limited number of flights, it only takes a tiny % of the public to realise what may happen, for them to be all full.

I'd just regard it as an overseas sabbatical, in which you can rest & reflect, which may turn into a refuge from chaos

BigChocFrenzy · 23/07/2018 08:47

Remember you'll probably be taking extra luggage, so Ryanair may not be the cheapest.
It's a great help if family can put you up.
They'd be able to help you find somewhere more longterm later, if the need arises.

FashionTheLook · 23/07/2018 08:47

Civil unrest is frightening. Do we have to get tooled up? SadShock

metro.co.uk/2018/04/20/woman-shot-armed-burglar-crossbow-believes-everyone-something-can-strike-back-7483591/

HermioneGoesBackHome · 23/07/2018 08:47

Mrs8 it’s very hard to predict tbh and depends a lot of where you are going, aka do you have relatives you can stay with? Do you have enough spare money to not work for a month, two, three? Etc...

I agree with BigChoc I think the 15 March is the latest you should book.
If you are going to Ireland, I would also look at the ferry rather than plane. At least you would have a car to go round when you arrive. And you could bring more stuff with you.

And the the next question is, are you planning to go away just to avoid the mayhem of a no deal and your plan is to come back anyway? Or are you going knowing one possibility is that you might not come back and stay in Ireland? Remembering the RoI will be just as badly hit by a No Deal Brexit than the U.K.:(

HermioneGoesBackHome · 23/07/2018 08:48

Ok Xpost.

Ferry then Mrs8.
I’m trying to book mine to go to the France but nothing is available yet.

Quietrebel · 23/07/2018 08:49

Great plan but not an option for those with school age kids, or non flexible jobs (sigh)

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