If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

[TistyTosty]

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

I don't get this generational thing, there are far more things that make us similar than a simple number, it doesn't matter when you were born , what matters is that every single person regardless of age will be badly effected by Brexit. With the possible exception of the likes of Rees Mogg who have enough personal wealth to weather any storm.

LoveInTokyo I never said all, The government were trying to protect new and recent house buyers , who would of suffered the most if house prices dropped not the people that own their house outright,

Re house prices when we bought in 1980 we bought a derelict house, and I do mean derelict. In order to get on the property ladder we, and other young couples, went without holidays and nights out. Expectations are different now and if I was to suggest staying in, not travelling around the world at the drop of a hat, not eating in restaurants, etc people look mystified.

It’s personal choice at the end of the day how you want to spend the money you earn. Also, studios and one bedroom flats are no longer desirable to first time buyers, they want more than that. I’m all for ambition but you have to start somewhere.

frumpety I don't get this generational thing, how can you compare one decade to another, the 50's is nothing like the past and present decade with technological advances, I would have loved to have a mob phone, ipad etc and go on lovely holidays when I was in my mid twenties, it just wasn't available,

Rosstac I think you misunderstood the gist of what I was saying , or I phrased it badly. What I was trying to say was that across the generations we are all essentially the same. As to your point about mobile phones and ipads and holidays , nope never had those in my twenties either and actually I am rather glad I didn't , no social media when I was misspending my youth is something I shall always be grateful for

I would happily buy a derelict house and do it up. The problem is that even those are out of people’s reach as they are bought up by “investors” who want to rent them back to us at overinflated prices.

And I think it goes without saying that if millennials had a choice between being able to buy a house and being able to buy a holiday or an iPad, they would pick the house.

It’s not a question of cutting back on avocados. To buy the house my dad bought at 24 (when he was fresh out of university with no debts) I would need a deposit of £65,000 and a salary of £130,000.

And by 'all essentially the same' I mean as human beings, some will have more 'stuff' and some will have less 'stuff' , but the 'stuff' doesn't make you different really, it just means more boxes if you move

Out of interest user how much did you pay for the derelict house in 1980 and how much is it worth now ?

Rosstac

Honestly I would have loved to see how you would have coped Living through the 50,s with the illnesses that were about the filth people where living in, rationing still going on, growing up with outside toilets a tin bath in front of the fire, having to light the coal fire every day if you had one, through to the three day weeks in the seventies the oil crisis and the recession of the 80’s and 90’s ( we were in the EU then) , a car was a luxury, a foreign holiday a luxury, etc yes we’ve had it easy us oldies.

I don't know how old you are, but as one of the Remain voting baby boom generation, I think you are to be charitable, muddled. I lived mostly in 1930s semis during the 50s - we had an inside bath, inside loo. We were pretty typical of people living in a small market town. DH's family initially rented a house with said tin bath and outside loo, but his Dad chose to buy a car, much to his Mother's annoyance, rather than putting down a deposit on a house, which he could have afforded having a good job. In 1961 they did move to a house with two indoor loos. Again fairly typical. Rationing stopped in either '53 or '54, (although food was still pretty monotonous from what I recall).

Yes we had coal fires until we moved house in the early 60s when we moved to a house with central heating. Similar for DH, although he moved to a house with gas fires and storage heaters. Both bliss as far as our mothers were concerned.

Both DH and I went to newly built primary well equipped primary schools. DH remembers that his had a piano in each classroom. I don't remember mine doing so, but I do remember that each class had a well stocked storeroom attached.

Remember McMillan is supposed to have said that we never had it so good? I believe he didn't actually say that, but there was a definite feeling of things improving.

Re the Tory party: If they destroy themselves for at least a generation, bring it on. Labour too could do with a big kick up the backside.

Expectations are different now and if I was to suggest staying in, not travelling around the world at the drop of a hat, not eating in restaurants, etc people look mystified.
It’s personal choice at the end of the day how you want to spend the money you earn. Also, studios and one bedroom flats are no longer desirable to first time buyers, they want more than that. I’m all for ambition but you have to start somewhere.

This is a myth. In the 80s you could buy a 2 bed house in my home town for approximately 3 x the average salary. So well within the reach of ordinary working people. Now the cheapest 2 bed property there is 10 x the average salary.

Well most of my baby-boomer relatives had AT LEAST a 20 a day habit in the 60s and 70s, so there were some luxuries back in the day

To be honest, she’s got a point.

Studios and one bed flats aren’t desirable to first time buyers any more.

Mainly because first time buyers are now couples in their 30s planning families rather than carefree 22 year olds who would have started with a studio and progressed to a family home by the time they were in their 30s.

House prices and expectations might have changed but unfortunately women’s biological clocks haven’t.

We paid £18,500 in 1981. It is now worth about between £700,000 to £800,000. I no longer live there. It was in an inner city area which was unfashionable but is now gentrified and close to the City of London. I personally would still not bring up children there because of the high crime rate and drug problem. It’s all relative though because if I could have afforded £100,000 then I could have bought off Kings Road Chelsea. As a previous poster said we had interest rates of 15% and our first mortgage payment was £650.00. We had paid a deposit of £3,500 and the mortgage company withheld some of the
money until we had renovated it, I can’t remember how much but it was a lot at the time. When we started renovating it, it very nearly fell down. At one point we could stand in the cellar and see up to the sky.
Happy days.

LoveinTokyo I started work a week after my 16th birthday. My husband started work at 13 and had his own business at 19. I had our firstborn son when I was 25 in 1982 and was considered an older mum

And...?

I voted out and would do so again.

The EU problems started when they let in economically corrupt countries such as Greece, who were never going to contribute ever, just take. I have a long association with doing business with Greek companies, so I speak with experience.

Immigration was a big factor in my decision, I have no problems with people who come to the U.K. to work, socialise and make friends. I lived in Rotherham at the time of the vote and it is overrun with ghettos of Eastern Europeans, benefit scroungers, who stand on street corners and intimidate people, my 86 year old Mother was mugged by them. Rotherham council accepted extra money to take the ones no one else would have.

I went to Lanzorate on holiday and remarked, the roads are much better than they used to be, yes I was told, the whole island has been funded by the EU, Lanzorate is not in the EU, yes I know it's Spanish but even so. The U.K. roads are a disgrace.

I was in Majorca on the day of the vote, I went in a posh jewellers and the lady said, it's your vote today isn't it, have you missed out on voting? I explained about postal votes, she said Spain were just waiting to see what happened with us, as they want out.

I was replying to the poster who asked how much I paid and what it is worth now. You had mentioned couples now n their 30s planning families. Maybe people should now start buying studios and one beds in their 20s again and they may build up some equity. Instead of bitching and moaning

DD was looking recently and the trouble is now the buy to let people pricing them out of the market.

Hmm, I lived in Rotherham at the time of the 1975 Referendum. I found it a dump then. Not overrun with E Europeans and of the neighbours who were friendly it was mostly the Asians, plus one older man. The younger white people were pretty obnoxious, but I was an 'incomer' with the wrong accent.

Yes (Remain).

There is an established principal used by many EU countries that immigrants should be self funding or have job prospects within 3 months or they will be repatriated. The UK could have done this but didn't, all the time complaining that there were too many immigrants.
The mechanism is there, it wasn't used.
The UK could sort out decent roads if it wanted to. A good start would be by getting better 'deals' with the companies that actually build the roads and put far more stringent terms on delays for example. You see miles of traffic cones on the motorways for years but far too often no one actually working on them. What is that all about?

Maybe people should now start buying studios and one beds in their 20s again and they may build up some equity.

THEY CAN’T Jesus Christ you are dense.

I bought my first (and only) property, a one-bedroom flat, when I was 33. My parents helped me with the deposit as no lender would lend me much money, even though my credit rating must be good. My monthly mortgage payments are just over half of what I used to pay in rent, so I've no idea why I couldn't have borrowed more.

Most EU citizens come to work and contribute. We could have made those who didn't find a job within three months leave but we didn't bother. Blame Westminster for that. So Rotherham council is rubbish - well it was 40 years ago too - and encourages people on the dole to move in. Blame the council. Of course, 40 years ago, despite being a dump there was work locally in the steel works although they were beginning to close down, even then. Usual story, lack of investment.

So Lanzarote has got good roads funded by the E.U by virtue of being Spanish. Ditto facilities in Cornwall and other places. But the Cornish voted to lose this, and got arsy when they asked Westminster for the same money to compensate and were told no.

Maybe people should now start buying studios and one beds in their 20s again and they may build up some equity.

I've just checked. Cheapest studio apartment available in my home town for someone in their 20s to buy is £125k so 5 times the average salary and out of reach of most young workers. Interesting though there are loads of 1 bed flats for £60/70k but buyers have to be over 55.