Still Not the Brexit Arms

[Bearbehind]

Gosh the old thread has been busy today!

Not got time to catch up just yet but putting this one here for later.

I had to go and look technetium up!

Quick bit of googling looks like the EU took steps to secure supplies for its member states - not an unreasonable position.

If we are not a member state then we don't get any.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood.

And if the EU became anti-trade and started refusing to sell it then we are screwed because its the only place in the world that sells it.

Interesting take, demonstrating a truly awe-inspiring knowledge and understanding of the issue at every possible level. Absolutely convincing and unassailable winning argument for Brexit, solely on the basis of this single radioisotope.

Good god, we are not allowed to leave the EU because they have cornered the market in technetium-99m. I have heard it all now.

Someone ring up the EU and tell them we no longer want to buy their goods. And while your doing it ring up all the other countries that make it but wont sell us technetium, like South Africa, Australia, Canada, Korea and even Argentina.

Yip we are screwed, the world will refuse to sell us technetium. Maybe if the supply is so restricted to the EU we could start generating it ourselves and we would make a fortune selling it to countries not in the EU.

I wonder if that is what the EU is really afraid of

Still totally understanding this one radioisotope in impressive detail.

Still totally understanding this one radioisotope in impressive detail
Maybe we should blame that on the EU? Guess the UK will have to learn the hard way!

Maybe we should blame that on the EU? Guess the UK will have to learn the hard way!

You OK hun?

You OK hun?
lol am used to remainer hysterics on MN by now. You are really overthinking this. We are just leaving the EU club, we are not leaving the world.

Technetium-99 is outside of Euratom.

Yip we are screwed, the world will refuse to sell us technetium. Maybe if the supply is so restricted to the EU we could start generating it ourselves and we would make a fortune selling it to countries not in the EU.
Funnily enough a quick google led me to these articles:

www.chemistryworld.com/opinion/solving-the-technetium-medical-isotope-shortage/3007815.article

www.alliancemedical.co.uk/news/artms-products-inc-partners-with-alliance-medical-to-modernize-stabilize-uk-medical-isotope

We are just leaving the EU club, we are not leaving the world.

Thus demonstrating a level of understanding of the particular issue regarding this radioisotope, which in fact is not a very difficult issue to comprehend after even minimal investigation, not even that related to your peculiar bugbear with the EU "not allowing trade" and not requiring "overthinking".

Did you actually read the article time?

"That’s not to say it doesn’t matter if we leave Euratom – it does, very much. The UK would have to set up new agreements with isotope suppliers, and new regulatory systems to monitor the materials’ movement and use. It would have to develop even more stringent systems to import nuclear fuel – which currently produces about one-fifth of the country’s electricity – as well as some reactor components. A new oversight regime would be needed for the world’s biggest civilian stockpile of plutonium, at Sellafield. And leaving Euratom could seriously hamper the UK’s participation in international nuclear research, including the world’s largest fusion experiment, ITER, in France."

"Cyclotron-generated Tc-99m shouldn’t be cited as a reason why leaving Euratom won’t hurt the UK. It should instead be seen as a vital way to wean ourselves off an aging and inefficient supply network."

Elements, is it your position that the UK should be banned from leaving the EUs rule?

Anything to say on the rest of the article or have you just posted what fits your negative view?

The UK would have to set up new agreements with isotope suppliers, and new regulatory systems to monitor the materials’ movement and use

Not if we are copying over EU rules into U.K. then the movement of such materials is covered off.

I can’t be doing with this hysteria.

Elements, is it your position that the UK should be banned from leaving the EUs rule?

"Banned" "EU's rule"? Golly, that's rather, um, hysterical language isn't it? I asked about the logistics of ensuring supply of one radioisotope.

YOU still didnt answer the question.

YOU still didnt answer the question.

Are we doing "I know you are but what am I?" because I could say that YOU haven't answered about one radioisotope. And JWIM had a long list of questions about aviation way upthread.

Not if we are copying over EU rules into U.K. then the movement of such materials is covered off.

Oh, is this one of those terrible EU rules that we don't want to leave? Soz, my mistake.

Even if we do copy EU rules into UK legislation, they will be just that - copies - they won't be the original agreements between the two parties. At some stage we will have to negotiate with the suppliers of the various isotopes.

Oh, is this one of those terrible EU rules that we don't want to leave? Soz, my mistake

No, we have the ability now to pick the ones to our advantage (not what suits 27). Big plus point.

And JWIM had a long list of questions about aviation way upthread - nice swerve

nice swerve From not ever answering JWIM's questions in the first place? Just learning from the masters.

Actually the really funny thing is that Mousse did better with google in the first place! Ultimately, there has been, in recent years, an issue with sourcing not just Tc-99m but its parent isotopes. One of EURATOM's remits is to secure supply chains for these across Europe. So whilst the actual movement of medical isotopes is not "within" EURATOM, we will be leaving the umbrella of the supply chain.

And furthermore with these particular radioisotopes, it's not as simple as waving our arms at The Whole Wide World Of Trade. This is because of the laws of physics.

Actually the really funny thing is that Mousse did better with google in the first place! Ultimately, there has been, in recent years, an issue with sourcing not just Tc-99m but its parent isotopes. One of remits is to secure supply chains for these across Europe. So whilst the actual movement of medical isotopes is not "within" EURATOM, we will be leaving the umbrella of the supply chain

Yes that is pretty much what was stated in the links that I posted, not sure you have actually read them properly. The issue raised was one of Tec -99m again covered off in those articles.

With regard to Aviation there will be a bilateral agreement through the transitional period. Also for good measure I believe we will remain with shared access of Europol.

I can’t bring myself to get worked up yet (I do try but it’s just not happening).

Is anyone going to say anything positive about Alliance Medical and the fact that they are actually working on this particular issue? or is it a case that you just cannot see anything positive/don’t want to see anything positive going on in the U.K.

So basically the EU has agreements and sources in place and secure but we don't want them because.......

Given that everyone in Europe is now making preparations for a no deal exit and the UK government are doing the same, can anyone explain how we are going to make this work in any way that isn't going to result in chaos ?

Time your article on Alliance and their work with the Canadian company is very interesting, it sounds like something a lot of countries would be interested in. It doesn't actually say when this technology would be up and running in the UK ? What would the capacity be , so how much would they be producing and how readily available it would be across the UK ?

With regard to Aviation there will be a bilateral agreement through the transitional period. Also for good measure I believe we will remain with shared access of Europol.

And what happens with No Deal? There will be no transition period so no bilateral agreements in place.