Still Not the Brexit Arms

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Gosh the old thread has been busy today!

Not got time to catch up just yet but putting this one here for later.

Is anyone going to say anything positive about Alliance Medical and the fact that they are actually working on this particular issue? or is it a case that you just cannot see anything positive/don’t want to see anything positive going on in the U.K.

Yes that's clearly the entire reason for my existence. To kill Brexit Fairies with negative thinking 🙄 (I know it is very hard to believe when we're all traitors to Unicornland, but most of us still have to live here and want to be completely and utterly wrong about our concerns).

The positivity thing is just massively ironic given the overall circumstances that have got us all here in the first place though

The article is positive and I shall cross my fingers that the facility will indeed be up-and-running and fully certified before Independence Day. (In fact I believe construction should be complete already.)

frumpety the report is a little vague on timing but 2019 is clearly mentioned, and slightly confusing on the capacity question: there is initially going to be only one cyclotron, then there's an "if" regarding subsequently obtaining a second one (at the time the article was published in 2017 I had a look for further info on this second facility and there wasn't any, perhaps there is now), then it finishes by saying that "the pair" would cover most of our needs. I guess you could interpret that as saying we'll have half our needs covered in 2019?

Googling Diagnostic imaging services, for which this isotope is used, there seems to be quite a few companies. Are they all looking for new suppliers of this stuff outside the EU and if not, what % of this service are down by Alliance M?

Are they all looking for new suppliers of this stuff outside the EU

Problem is that it's the laws of physics at play, we can't import this particular radioisotope from far away.

So the Brexiteers answer to problems caused by leaving the EU is ... to not leave that bit of the EU.

Reminds me of a story about a mega 4-piece band of the 70s, when the singer decided he wanted to "go solo". He approached the manager, and the manager said "great - we'll get it sorted. Tell me who you'd like to play guitar ?"

After some thought, the singer says "well obviously "

"OK, drummer ?"

"Well the best drummer in the world is . Go tto have him >

"Ah, and bass ?"

"Well is simply an incredible musician. Keyboards, arrangement, strings ..."

No more talk of going solo.

So the Brexiteers answer to problems caused by leaving the EU is ... to not leave that bit of the EU

Exactly.

So the Brexiteers answer to problems caused by leaving the EU is ... to not leave that bit of the EU.

But May has been repeatedly told that this is not possible. We can't just opt in to the EASA - it doesn't offer associate membership. I don't know about Europol, but I expect likewise. Even if these are possible, they are subject to the ECJ, which for the hard right are one of their red lines.

Helmetbymidnight so if the EU wanted the UK to remain there are a few things it could do, one of the biggest issues seems to be FOM, they could easily allow the UK to if they want have a 5 year pause to enable house building and other parts of the infrastructure to catch up with the vast numbers of people that of come here in the last ten years, it would still allow a job based need, I think that would appeal to most sensible leave voters, like me I can see the point of a free trade block as we voted for in 1975,

Tsk. Negative thinking.

Helmetbymidnight so if the EU wanted the UK to remain there are a few things it could do, one of the biggest issues seems to be FOM, they could easily allow the UK to if they want have a 5 year pause to enable house building and other parts of the infrastructure to catch up with the vast numbers of people that of come here in the last ten years, it would still allow a job based need, I think that would appeal to most sensible leave voters, like me I can see the point of a free trade block as we voted for in 1975,

If the UK wanted to remain, it could have accepted FoM. Which, funnily enough it did. Whatever thick people think they know about joining the EEC in 1973, the one thing the UK accepted from day one was FoM.

Incidentally, we've had 30 years to build a few fucking houses. Yet near me, housebuilders have bought up huge plots of land and are selling a rationed 200 house/year from their end build of thousands. They not only admit this. They make it a selling point for the 200 houses to "keep the equity value" (i.e house prices high) and "preserve character of the development" (no riff raff).

If rosstac is upset about the UKs housing shortage (and they should be) they should also know that leaving the EU won't change a damn thing.

DGRossetti yes and neither Poland, Portugal, Romania etc where part of the EU then

Not only that, we could have paused the number of people coming from the old eastern bloc states - as other countries did. Blair didn't bother to do that, so far more people came than he anticipated. We can also throw people out if they don't find a job within a certain time, but again, we don't bother. Whining about the nasty EU is so so much easier.

DGRossetti infact over 18 countries have joined since 1975

Peregrina Which has now led to this point

Peregrina Throw people out, what if we know where they are and at tax payers expense and properly after appeals.
There is nothing wrong with controlled job based immigration, I just cant understand why you cant agree on that

Which has now led to this point
I.e. failings of Westminster Governments, which were nothing like as appallingly incompetent as the present shower.

Peregrina enough goverments have had a chance, haven't listened, even led to a PM calling a old lady a Bigot for voicing her concerns

DGRossetti in fact over 18 countries have joined since 1975

I suggest you educate yourself as to which country really pushed for that.

And just in case you don't, I will. It was the UK ... against some quite stiff opposition. One of the minor irritations in the EU27 (and one reason why the UK isn't going to get the unicorn sandwich it wants) is that the UK massively helped expand the EU and is now fucking off.

even led to a PM calling a old lady a Bigot for voicing her concerns

He was right though. I've seen it argued that this moment marked the start of the rise of intolerance in Britain, the moment when it became acceptable to hold racist views and unacceptable for politicians to call them out. Pandering to bigots is what got us in this mess.

Mistigri Why was he right ? He didn’t say it to her face, perhaps more listening and less name calling might have helped and not led to this point now

She was a bigot. He wasn't factually wrong.

Gordon Brown wasn't factually wrong. With hindsight he should have challenged her views - politely. Because she was blaming 'foreigners' for all the ills in the UK.

Yes absolutely pointy.

He was right though. I've seen it argued that this moment marked the start of the rise of intolerance in Britain, the moment when it became acceptable to hold racist views and unacceptable for politicians to call them out. Pandering to bigots is what got us in this mess.

The usual bollocks surrounding Gillian Duffy.

She mentioned immigrants once in her 5 minute exchange with Gordon Brown.
She was not 'bigoted' or 'racist' when she asked about it.

Have you watched the exchange?

Because she was blaming 'foreigners' for all the ills in the UK.

No she wasn't.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=CTr8IVWBuPE

Returning to my aviation questions to leave voters who, my assumption and hope, want a positive future for the UK - any responses?

The suggestion that there will be a bilateral agreement is a non starter as EASA is currently set up. To be a member you must be an EU/EEA/EFTA Member State. Any change in UK status from actual EU/EEA/EFTA Member State (and I would argue that that is the case even under the transition/implementation period) will automatically cause us to fall out of EASA. At that point any bilateral agreements would have to be with every country that the UK has an aviation relationship, or a group regulatory body (such as EASA) if applicable for other 3rd countries.

So again - what do leavers think our Leave Government should be doing to effect a successful UK when we leave the EU.

Again, this is but one of many LEGAL agreements that we need to extract ourselves from and to replace. It is not just a matter of saying we're leaving/we've left and we'll just carry on with the bits that we want. There are counter-parties to all these LEGAL agreements who WILL have a view and don't have to just say "OK then UK, whatever you want".