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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/07/2018 08:14

You think Farage wants to become leader of UKIP to help avoid questioning / extradition by Mueller ?
I doubt Mueller or the US court system would be impressed by a minor party in a non-US (i.e. minor) country

UKIP has 20,000 members currently (latest figure ?) and near bankrupt, but I expect some large anonymous donations can soon fix the latter

mathanxiety · 14/07/2018 08:32

How on earth did they find a home in the Conservative Party, when they want to crash & burn the UK for their revolution ?

The exact same way they found a home in the GOP, BigChoc. They started with think tanks, and organisations that are fronts for big business and obscenely wealthy individuals to quietly donate to think tanks both domestically and abroad (see the IEA wiki article I posted).

The money was and is used to buy politicians. So you get a scenario where the MP for Wycombe accepts money for his election campaign from the Constitutional Research Council, which has links to Saudi Arabia, and probably links from SA to the CIA or some shadowy foundation in the US.

You get the Mercers running Cambridge Analytica and throwing millions at candidates that they will forevermore have in their pockets. The Koch Brothers are another case in point, ferrying Andrea Leadsom to the US for some right wing conference...

You get Declan Ganley in Ireland orchestrating a No vote initially on the Lisbon Treaty, now hob nobbing with the US military industrial establishment and banking millions from US government /defence industry telecommunications contracts.

Money from the US has funded it all.

And you get the public pointing fingers at Russia, which is a very handy squirrel.

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2018 09:00

Popular pressure would be a force that might block an extradition Big Choc.

Farage gets to scream about being persecuted politically. It could have enough effect to encourage militant behaviour.

It's not about what Mueller would do.

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Mrsr8 · 14/07/2018 09:02

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HesterThrale · 14/07/2018 09:14

Even after the indictment of 12 Russian spies, Donald Trump still cries “witch hunt”
The US president is gaslighting us all.

The big takeaway is that the situation is now entirely clear, with little or no room for doubt: America was attacked in 2016, not by some “400-pound person in his mother’s basement,” as Trump has previously tried to claim, but by a concerted and large-scale effort by the Russian government to sow discord and upset the US election result.

The timing is especially unfortunate for Trump, because the president is set to meet with Russian president Vladimir Putin next week in Helsinki. He now must at least raise the issue with his counterpart or, one would hope, face serious opprobrium at home, though the GOP is, as always, stunningly cowardly in its reluctance to speak out against Trump.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/07/even-after-indictment-12-russian-spies-donald-trump-still-cries-witch-hunt#amp

woman11017 · 14/07/2018 09:29

Awful news from NI overnight
It is. Sad
As well as the attack on Gerry Adams' home there was this on Thursday.
The attacks came on the same day the PSNI’s chief constable, George Hamilton, condemned violence in Derry on Thursday night, during which he said more than 70 petrol bombs and two improvised explosive devices were thrown at police officers
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/14/gerry-adams-home-attacked-explosive-device-sinn-fein-northern-ireland

prettybird · 14/07/2018 09:40

It just goes to show how fragile the "peace" in NI is Sad

lonelyplanetmum · 14/07/2018 09:46

It just goes to show how fragile the "peace" in NI is

In any organisation if the bosses don't respect the rules, the staff don't either.

We have clear signs over here that many members of the cabinet don't give a toss about the GFA.

To be fair, the NI assembly and executive have shown disregard for other rules too.

Im sorry to say that both these things create a vacuum where return to chaos is more likely than not.

SusanWalker · 14/07/2018 09:48

Of course talking about white Christian European nations is ironic in itself, given that Christianity was imported to Europe from the middle east, at the end of the Roman empire. A Roman empire which saw movements of people throughout Europe and North Africa, many of whom remained where they were, having married and become part of the communities they were sent to. Syrians at hadrian 's wall for example.

Then white Christian Europeans went on to invade and spread their religion throughout the world, at the expense of local religions and customs.

But then people don't like to think about it like that.

woman11017 · 14/07/2018 09:49

With the brexit looking flimsier by the day, in whose interests it would be to re ignite the conflict......prettybird Hmm
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-dup-brexit-donations-saudi-arabia-tale-tories-theresa-may-a7782681.html

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2018 09:58

Deleted tweet by Muppets currently running America.

Scotland apparently isn't in the UK

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prettybird · 14/07/2018 10:00

Dh, despite being supposedly 100% Scottish, has very olive skin and black eyes (as did his dad). We suspect a ship-wrecked Spaniard after the rout of the Armada Wink His nickname at school was Abdul! Shock

Just goes to show that the world is a melting pot. Grin

Ds has said he would love to do one of those DNA tests, as my background is soooo mongrel-ish (German, English, Irish, French Huguenot, South African, Swedish, Australian and - which I've only just found out - some genuine Scottish Grin) and added to our suspicions of his dad's ancestry, it would be interesting. He probably wouldn't be so keen if he realised how valuable his DNA would be to the company he would be paying to do it Hmm

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2018 10:03

Those DNA tests are modern astrology. The real purpose of them is to be the first to build a DNA database. I don't trust privacy law now to be sufficient tbh.

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QuentinSummers · 14/07/2018 10:05

pretty do you have any colonial Indian history in your family? There was a period where colonial men were advised to marry Indian women for better integration, could be a source of those genes (my DS is similar and I think that's where it is from)

SusanWalker · 14/07/2018 10:08

I would love my kids to do one too. Their father is what is known as cape coloured. We think they are part malaysian, african, indian, German and english. They are really a product of the empire. But I am loathe to give their DNA away to a random company.

prettybird · 14/07/2018 10:10

Interesting as it would be, I'm going to discourage him.

There are however some interesting things that can learnt on a medical basis (eg whether you lose weight better with aerobic exercise or weights and other things) according to a couple of TV programmes I saw earlier this year. But the important one - the aggressive BRAC2 gene that my dad's family carries, I know I'm clear of as my dad was tested so I don't need to be. (We thought he'd be clear as his mum died at 89, not of cancer, and if she had the gene she'd have got ovarian or breast cancer by her 40s Hmm)

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2018 10:18

My brother has very dark skin (my mum was asked if her husband was Pakistani when he was a child). I have very pale 'english rose's complection. We always looked so alike apart from that; there are photos of me that everyone always though were him.

We don't know where it comes from. We've traced our ancestry back on both sides for 200 years.

Perhaps the only clue is that I'm blood type AB. Only 4% of the population in the UK is AB. Only 10% is B. Bs are dominant in Asia rather than Europe. So we know that there is likely to be something in there somewhere. But it must be way back.

We don't know whether the B comes from my Mum or Dad though. I'd love to know.

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prettybird · 14/07/2018 10:21

None at all Quentin

In dh's case, the furthest his dad's family might have been is Northern Ireland - so he might be an exemplar of "Black Irish" - which itself might also go back to the Spanish Armada Confused No colonial service amongst his ancestors.

I'm very blond and Scandinavian (blue eyes, high cheekbones, fair hair at least it used to be ). That's not to say there wasn't a bit of interbreeding in the early years in South Africa (ancestors arrived there in 1777) Wink

prettybird · 14/07/2018 10:26

There were occasions during the apartheid era where the "mingling", sometimes from so many generations back that it had been forgotten or ignored , resulted in a "throwback".

The child would then be re-classified a different race and then the only way that they could live in the same house was as a "servant" ShockAngry

lonelyplanetmum · 14/07/2018 10:27

Also it may just be a coincidence but I caught up on my You.Gov surveys. I've nearly earned my £50!

Mixed in with the non politics- food questions about makes like Coleman's, Heinz etc were a couple of odd questions. It was specifically about how much you spend weekly or monthly on long shelf life food for the storage cupboard. It wasn't about the brands like the other questions.

It seemed that the Gov were monitoring food shopping with a view to assessing if food is being stockpiled. The questions on shelf like food were far more detailed than those on fresh produce.

It isn't project fear. The govt are monitoring it and must genuinely expect there to be problems with sufficiency and availability of food.

QuentinSummers · 14/07/2018 10:43

The child would then be re-classified a different race and then the only way that they could live in the same house was as a "servant"

Angry Humans are barbaric
BigChocFrenzy · 14/07/2018 11:11

Horrific.
I heard of an SA family who had to move to a non-white district, after a hospital op found one parent was non-white

  • and hence the kids would be
SwedishEdith · 14/07/2018 11:15

I also noticed that the queen was wearing EU blue, but that is probably just a coincidence

It's exactly the same outfit with stars daisies removed. The Democrats are the blue party as well. Nothing is by accident. Her dressers will be fully aware of the reaction that outfit got last time.

woman11017 · 14/07/2018 11:18

Trevor Noah's ( current US Daily Show host) mum had to do this.
The son of a white Swiss father and a black South African mother who had to pretend to be his father’s servant during all-too brief moments of family interaction, he experienced a deeply unconventional childhood during the last days of Apartheid and the unsure years that followed its abolition
www.npr.org/2016/11/22/503009220/trevor-noah-looks-back-on-childhood-in-the-shadow-of-a-giant-his-mom

He was born in 1984.

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2018 11:32

Sarah Murphy @ 13sarahmurphy
Thank you Times for making me laugh out loud this morning....

That ship hasn’t just sailed, it’s crashed against the rocks and sunk.

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
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