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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 10:55

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/12/ucl-row-email-immigration-check-fine-draconian-discriminatory?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
UCL row over email stating immigration-check fine of £20,000

Punishment for not reporting immigration breaches by students called draconian and discriminatory

The dispute comes after UCL advised lecturers to carry out random spot checks on students’ identity documents, and one of the university’s leading faculties warned that staff who fail to report those in breach of the terms of their visa and immigration requirements “may be liable to a £20,000 personal fine per case”.

Totalitarianism anyone?

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DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 10:56

Seen recently on a banner:

The people who hid Anne Frank were breaking the law. The people who killed her were obeying it.

BolleauxtoBankers · 12/07/2018 11:38

Just leaving this here.

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 11:43

euronews @euronews
JUST IN: US President Trump says other countries have agreed to increase their defense spending
Trump: allies commit to raise defense spending beyond 2%
Trump: NATO is much stronger than it was two days ago
Trump told NATO allies he would be very unhappy if they did not increase their defense spending substantially
Trump: I believe in NATO. It's very important, probably the greatest ever done.
Trump: Germany is increasing its defense spending and we have to figure out what's happening with the pipeline from Russia.
Trump: I think I can probably pull out of NATO without congressional approval, but that's unnecessary.
Trump: I'm very consistent. I'm a very stable genius.
Trump: on July 25 the EU talks on trade will begin; if they don't negotiate in good faith, action will be taken on cars.
Trump: Perhaps we'll talk about stopping US exercises in the Baltics in meeting with Putin

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RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 11:44

Translation: NATO is doomed and the Baltics are for sale to the highest bidder.

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Plonkysaurus · 12/07/2018 11:44

I got a few paras into the DExEU white paper and felt like I was about to start bleeding from my eyeballs, so gave up. Are white papers always so jargonistic? I'd have thought plain English would be preferable, unless you don't want anyone (ie the likes of us) to be able to actually understand your proposal.

It also has a typo in paragraph 2. Careless.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 11:45

Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Trump: "They like me a lot in the UK, I think they agree with me on immigration."

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DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 11:45

allies commit to raise defense spending beyond 2%

Did we ?

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 11:46

Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Trump: "I don't know what is going on with the negotiations, who knows? ....I'm going to a hot spot, with a lot of resignations."

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DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 11:49

It also has a typo in paragraph 2. Careless.

Apply Rossettis first law (of anything Grin)

If you find one mistake, go back and ask how many more there are

Has served me well over the years. Fun to do loudly in a bank.

But, I can assure you sir.....

No you can't. If there's one mistake, how many more have you made ?

rinse and repeat.

Only yesterday I took a company to pieces for getting the date wrong on some unsolicited mail Smile.

Plonkysaurus · 12/07/2018 11:51

With statements like this it's clear that this white paper was written in a hurry. It's almost unintelligible.

Mutual recognition of conformity alone, however, will not be enough for the EU-UK’s future relationship not meet the principle of having only one relationship because it does approval in one country.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 11:52

Laura Kuennsberg @ bbclaurak
Trump on the UK “ I’m going to pretty hot spot right now , with a lot of resignations…” goes on (helpfully on May's EU plan) to say 'I don't know if that's what they voted for'

Harry Cole @ mrharrycole
Trump on Brexit: “It seems to be turning a little differently where they seem to be getting partially backed involved with European Union.”

Trump: "Brexit is Brexit - the people voted to break it up, so I would imagine that is what they would do, but maybe they'll take a different route.. I'm not sure that is what they voted for." BOOM

And there's the interference ...

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DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 11:52

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/12/hmrc_bosses_outline_chief_concerns_for_customs_it/

excerpt

If the UK stays in the customs union, many businesses won't need to declare; in a no-deal situation they will, which would nearly double traders from 150,000 to 295,000 with no transition period.

This means it is hard to communicate with suppliers, and the department expects that many won't be ready for a March 2019 deadline.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/07/2018 11:54

allies commit to raise defense spending beyond 2%

Well I don't see how the Brexiteers could possibly ever sanction 2% or even the 4% Trumpety wanted.

Remember 0.7% of GDP for E.U. membership was completely vast. This sum of 0.7% was outrageous and unaffordable and we are spending it on the NHS instead.

Strumpers wants nearly six times what we spent on the E.U. just for defence and we don't get a trade agreement in return, oh no.

DarlingNikita · 12/07/2018 11:56

Mutual recognition of conformity alone, however, will not be enough for the EU-UK’s future relationship not meet the principle of having only one relationship because it does approval in one country.

That's garbled as fuck [Confused Grin

DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 11:56

I suspect Trump dislikes NATO in the same way JRM et al dislike the EU.

They're both hindrances to their sense of self worth.

The problem is an awful lot of Americans know about as much about WW2 as the Brexiteers (i.e. fuck all). If they did, they'd know what NATO actually does ....

Tanith · 12/07/2018 11:58

Bolleauxtobankers I love the imaginative insults! Grin

I know now why they didn’t bring back Spitting Image: the real life characters are performing comedy gold that would be hard pressed to match.

SusanWalker · 12/07/2018 12:01

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-39103078

India says a trade deal will take years

topcat1980 · 12/07/2018 12:03

Oh and an Indian trade deal with the EU was vetoed by the UK, because it involves granting more working visas.

Any agreement with India will mean more immigration from India.

That's what you voted for right?

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 12:16

Labour Whips @ labourwhips
Journalists had a lock-in and were fully briefed on the Brexit White Paper 📝 in @DExEUgov at 9am this morning. MPs and the public won’t get it until after @DominicRaab has made a statement around 1pm. Is this deliberate to try to avoid detailed difficult questions?

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RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 12:21

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: French President Macron denies Trump claim that NATO powers agreed to increase defense spending beyond previous targets.

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RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 12:24

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2018/07/dexeus-alternative-brexit-white-paper-canada-plus-plus-plus-2-agricultural-food-and-fish-products-outcome-equivalence.html
EXCLUSIVE. DexEU’s Alternative Brexit White Paper – Canada Plus Plus Plus. 2) Agricultural, food, and fish products. Outcome equivalence.

Part 2 of the DexEu's plan.

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WifeofDarth · 12/07/2018 12:29

Well whaddayaknow? We wait years for a white paper and then two come along at once!

DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 12:29

BREAKING: French President Macron denies Trump claim that NATO powers agreed to increase defense spending beyond previous targets.

But I suspect all Trumps core demographic will remember is the first tweet. So they're happy that he's kicked some EuroAss.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2018 12:34

The traditional football chant:

"what a load of RUBBISH"

applies equally to the official and the unofficial DexEU white papers
and to Trump's ravings

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