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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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Motheroffourdragons · 12/07/2018 09:32

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BolleauxtoBankers · 12/07/2018 09:32

Somerville, that is dreadful, and scary. I hate the way we are reversing all the advances towards peace and liberty which had been made at the end of the last century in so many aspects of people's lives.

Motheroffourdragons · 12/07/2018 09:35

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DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 09:36

I hate the way we are reversing all the advances towards peace and liberty which had been made at the end of the last century in so many aspects of people's lives.

Was it Lenin or Marx (or even Stalin) that said "one step back to take two forwards" ?

lonelyplanetmum · 12/07/2018 09:39

Somerville that is so scary.

And yet Jacob Rees Mogg flaunts both his religious and educational credentials. He presumably knows not only full details of the troubles but all about the Battle of the Boyne and the anniversary of the victory over the Catholic King James II etc

Yet he still witters on and criticises the decision to agree the original backstop.

Has he been briefed on the recent events, pipe-bombs, masked men on buses etc?

topcat1980 · 12/07/2018 09:41

JRM doesn't care, he is a wimp, a loser and a failure.

He is simply out to further the interests of himself and those whom he runs his company for ( well I say runs, he isn't in the position cause he's any good, merely cause he is part of the right set and can get into the right places because of who he was at birth.)

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 09:48

You know the think tank that donated to the new Health Secretary Matt Hancock? The one that advocates privatising the NHS.

Well they are a charity. And open democracy are pointing out there are rules relating to being politically independent if you are a charity...

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/peter-geoghegan/revealed-charity-watchdog-probes-pro-brexit-anti-nhs-think-tank
Revealed: Charity watchdog probes pro-Brexit anti-NHS think tank

The IEA is one of the UK’s most influential think tanks. IEA representatives regularly appear on the media, advocating everything from privatising the NHS to a hard Brexit, and it has strong links with a number of Conservative ministers, including new Brexit secretary Dominic Raab and health minister Matt Hancock.

The IEA – which does not disclose its funders – is registered as an educational charity. The Charity Commission does not register charities that exist for a political purpose.

The charity watchdog says that it will look at information provided about whether the IEA breached rules on political independence before deciding whether to take action against the think tank.

Concerns about the IEA’s charitable status have been raised previously. Last year, the Charity Commission found that a hypothetical Conservative manifesto jointly written by the IEA and the Tax Payer’s Alliance calling for tax cuts and more privatisation breached charity guidance on political activity.

Andrew Purkis, a former Charity Commission board member, called on the regulator to act against the IEA.

“(The IEA) are basically a political organisation. I have never really accepted that they are principally there for education and research. They are there to promote an agenda. They obviously feel that they are on a roll, that they are looked to that particular brand of right wing, free market Brexiteers,” Purkis told openDemocracy.

“If they were not a charity they would simply be categorised as a right wing think tank that promotes particular ideological views.”

Its a vehicle through which wealthy donors can provide funds to politicians they favour without it being on record. Politicians are supposed to declare who donates to them so its transparent. This makes it impossible.

Political Donation Laundering if you will.

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Somerville · 12/07/2018 09:48

All the politicians know; lots of them don't give a shit, though. And all the NI politicians statements of the violence are pissing me off too; asking for calm and community cohesion, when the whole lot of them are failing to do the same. Angry

Whilst my political aim of united Ireland is becoming more likely because of Brexit, I only want that if we can pull it off peacefully; this shit show is quite the opposite. Angry

PineappleSunrise · 12/07/2018 09:49

It feels like the easy escapism stage is well and truly over today: grey skies (in SE England, anyway), markedly cooler weather, England out of the World Cup and Brexit still a painful mess. Nothing to distract people from what's going on at the moment.

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lonelyplanetmum · 12/07/2018 09:54

As Nicholas Soames said..

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
lonelyplanetmum · 12/07/2018 09:59

*JRM should be made to encourage these things first hand
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Well It does seem harsh, but so is he. JRM and or his innocent family could be present during some of today's NI news items:

• Attempted murders in Bogside.
•Perhaps he could have his Car stolen and torched in NI?
•Perhaps a pipe bomb exploding close to his local police operation?
•Police warnings that loyalist paramilitaries were planning to "orchestrate and participate in serious disorder" in north east Somerset Belfast.?
•He could visit during another night of disorder in Londonderry, with petrol bombs and missiles being thrown?
•Masked men used burning cars to block roads close to the Ulster Hospital in Dundonald, East Belfast let's pretend it's North East Somerset.
•Perhaps his nanny could be on a bus with passengers on board hijacked by a group of masked men, one carrying a suspected firearm, before being set alight.

Even experiencing 'other security incidents' which prevented passengers leaving Belfast City Airport may help him focus his narrow little mind?

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 10:04

politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/12/war-gaming-the-brexit-chaos-what-the-hell-happens-now
War-gaming the Brexit chaos: What the hell happens now?

Ian Dunt column.

One of the things that catches my eye here, is this
Finally, if all else fails, they could hope that the Speaker does something very controversial. He could say that the neutral motion the government puts forward on no-deal actually can be amended - not on the basis of its wording but its intention. This would be extraordinary, but probably within the rules.

Who the Speaker is, is important. From everything we know Bercow, it seems highly unlikely that Bercow is in the No Deal Camp. He's said off the record he wants to see Brexit through until the article 50 deadline.

If he's thought to be a 'traitor' by ERG militants, there will be a concerted attempt to oust him. So perhaps we should see the new proposals on bullying and sexual harrassment in that context too; they might be extremely relevant to when Bercow goes. If they are too strong that might endanger Bercow more.

If there is a very strong case against Bercow, there might be some very difficult decisions to be made. There may be fudge.

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lonelyplanetmum · 12/07/2018 10:12

PS I'm a pacifist and I didn't mean JRMs nanny should be set alight perhaps just the empty bus she had previously been on. Just to compare to the week's events in NI.

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2018 10:13

The Tory party really is now the party of F@@k business
I keep having to pinch myself in disbelief at their attacks, as bad as any 1970s anarchist movement.

Tories don't just disagree with business - Tory Ultras attack them viciously for daring to warn of what Brexit is doing to them already and the disaster a no-del would bring

After Boris and IDS, JRM piles in too:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-cbi-brexit-business-uk-economy-forecast-a8443056.html

DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 10:16

If he's thought to be a 'traitor' by ERG militants, there will be a concerted attempt to oust him.

Pastor Niemoller has never seemed more wise.

When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; for I was not Jewish ...

By allowing the rhetoric of Enemies of the people and TRAITORS to go unchecked and unchallenged, the people who it suited then are now just as at risk a year on.

Not stopping bully boys because it suits you at the time is a dangerous game to play.

The might be some mileage in someone dreaming up an even more extreme Brexit (maybe declaring war on Belgium or something) and castigating JRM as a "traitor" if he so much as goes "Er ..." when asked for his views.

And so on.

It would be quite something to see JRM trying to slap down an interviewer and accusing them of being "extremist" .....

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2018 10:16

somerville Sad
The PSNI needs to step up and tackle hate crimes and incitement to murder

Why does any police force tolerate public incitement to murder ?

Imagine a bonfire in England, with a sign "kill all Christians"
I don't think that would left for long before the police move in and the media would be going nuts, not ignoring it

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2018 10:18

The UK might have problems declaring war, for anything outside NATO:

(2017) MoD confirmed that French frigates Grin will be needed to protect the Royal Navy's new QE2 aircraft carrier:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/829042/Royal-Navy-aircraft-carrier-rely-French-protection-war-Falklands

DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 10:19

The Tory party really is now the party of F@@k business

Sorry to say that this will please some people. Even I had a wry smile at the thought of all these CEOs that have spent years sucking on the Tory cock suddenly realising they're going to have to swallow.

That huge underclass that voted for Brexit to "stick it to the man" won't be shedding many tears if big businesses seem to be taking it up the arse. Even though it's patently against their self interests.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 10:42

Not stopping bully boys because it suits you at the time is a dangerous game to play.

I actually agree. But May? Hasn't she demonstrated repeatedly that its irrevelant? And used it for her own purposes?

May was adament that bullying in Westminster had to end. When it comes to it, whats come out looks far from that initial commitment... What she said and what has happened are very different.

I'm realistic about what has happened/will happen.

Do you think concern about bullying will really stop a lot of politicians? Seeing as thats how a lot of them see it as being thats how business is done. Its regarded by far too many as a job requirement. How many blind eyes have ALL parties turned when its suited them politically?

Bullying is so deeply ingrained in the westminister culture I find it inconceivable that politicians will suddenly find their morals regarding it.

It strikes me, that the fudge on HR has already been done - as there are too many with vested invests - and I don't discount Bercow's Brexit position being a bargining chip in why the proposals are weak too. They have to be seen to be doing something, whilst actually doing nothing... Its just about getting the press off their backs.

A reminder: The whips know everything, and the whips are supposed to be loyal to May. If you were a whip, you'd have made it your business to know where Bercow stood on this, before you made the amendment which mentioned the influence of the speaker and made the deal with Grieve, now wouldn't you? If May is that desparate for a deal, I find it almost inconcievable to discount the possibility of her having cut a deal with Bercow... she is afterall trying to court Labour and the LDs over a possible deal.

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RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 10:46

Stewart 'I'm a very bitter spad' Jackson has confirmed that this

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2018/07/exclusive-the-alternative-brexit-white-paper-a-draft-from-dexeu-1-mutual-recognition-not-ongoing-harmonisation.html
EXCLUSIVE. The Alternative Brexit White Paper. A draft from DexEU. 1) Mutual recognition, not ongoing harmonisation.

was the DexEu White paper.

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Plonkysaurus · 12/07/2018 10:46

That huge underclass that voted for Brexit to "stick it to the man" won't be shedding many tears if big businesses seem to be taking it up the arse. Even though it's patently against their self interests.

I give you Derby. It's a city worth watching right now.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 10:49

ConHome are going to publish more parts during the course of the day.

This btw, it total bollocks and has even less chance of success than the Turd Way.

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DGRossetti · 12/07/2018 10:50

The late and remarkably prescient Gore Vidal once said It is not enough to win. Others must lose.

I give you Brexit. Where the "winners" are determined to make sure there are losers.