Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

Regarding the Royal assent. I feel there ought to have been a 'post it' stuck to the bottom saying 'if you mess this country up any more there is a man in my castle with a large sharp axe who would like a word with you'.

In case anyone had any doubt about he current governemnet
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/thought-crime-uk-un-terrorism-government-viewing-material-offence-law-a8423546.html

A United Nations inspector has accused the British government of straying towards “thought crime” with a proposed law criminalising the repeated viewing of terrorist material.

At the end of his UK visit, the UN Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy raised concerns about plans to make accessing propaganda “on three or more different occasions” an offence.

Professor Joe Cannataci said the benchmark seemed “arbitrary” and added: “It seems to be pushing a bit too much towards thought crime…the difference between forming the intention to do something and then actually carrying out the act is still fundamental to criminal law.

But apparently that’s all ok because the government is been scrutinised by the courts and Parliament... hollow laugh.

The Special Rapporteur noted concerns about the potential “chilling” effect on society following South Wales Police’s use of mobile facial recognition cameras at events including a protest.

"I find it difficult to see how the deployment of a technology that would potentially allow the identification of each single participant in a peaceful demonstration could possible pass the test of necessity and proportionality," he said.

Yep, and that's the reason I haven’t been to any rally on Brexit. It just doesn’t feel safe for me....

Peregrina and there is also about 1/3 of the population suffering from a profound cognitive dissonance that stops them from understanding why Brexit is such an appalling idea.
Stop Brexit and you end up with 1/3 of the population that will be very very angry.
That’s not going to be easy to handle either....

But 'Remainers' around a third of the population will be very very angry if it does go ahead. Whichever way you cut it a very significant proportion of the UK will be very angry with somebody else.

Yep, and that's the reason I haven’t been to any rally on Brexit. It just doesn’t feel safe for me...

I think you have good reason to fear. As for me, I have no other country to go to, so I can't be slung out. They can put me in prison. As I was on the train to London last week, I thought to myself that if civil disobedience is necessary, I will prepare for action and take the consequences.

you end up with 1/3 of the population that will be very very angry.

I don't think so. I think maybe 1/6 of the population. Most people neither knew nor cared about the EU before the Referendum and they are bored now. Don't forget last week's pro-Brexit march only got a few hundred people. Farage was going to lead a march last year, which ended up with a handful of men and a dog.

hillreporter.com/mueller-probe-is-now-eyeing-pro-brexit-ukip-member-nigel-farage-3209

Mueller Probe Is Now Eyeing Pro-Brexit UKIP Member Nigel Farage

I think a lot of the Leavers could be 'bought off' if they were listened to, and there were real attempts to put anti-austerity measures in place. I don't think Remainers can be bought off so easily. I think we will remain angry - because the Leavers seem hell bent on destroying the country.

There is a lot of work to be done. But all the problems are based on domestic policy - and the work to fix that can only happen if brexit is cancelled. Otherwise there will not be the money to sort these problems out.
Brexit (the threat of) could actually be the massive kick up the arse this country has needed. Certainly I'm more politically engaged because of it - and more and more young people are getting angry. Yes, there is still a deplorable number of people who remain disinterested... but any increased political engagement can only be a good thing.

As for a third of people who will be unhappy... only 17 out of 65 million voted to leave. Many of them voted for reasons other than blind brexit ideology/ hatred of the EU. They voted for the NHS or to stick it to Cameron, or to stick it to the SNP - I know of one person who did the ip dip do in the ballot box. Not even every leaver will be very very angry if brexit is cancelled.
Many die hard leavers are of the over 65 demographic - what are they going to do?
Yes the EDL types might cause a bit of trouble... but it will at worst be as bad as the 2011 riots (and let's face the EDL aren't great at organising). Any civil disorder can be quickly put down. Not so in the case of a no deal brexit - when everyone will be rioting.
And for those that won't riot but will be angry. Let them be angry. Let them be angry as they keep their worker's rights, their jobs, their pensions, their freedom of movement, their access to medication and food, the security that Eurapol brings ... they don't lose anything. They can bitter and enraged until the day they die - they'll still be enjoying their cheap holidays in Benidorm. Having a subsection of the population which is angry because they are keeping everything they ever had is very different to having masses of the population be angry because they have lost everything they ever had. Much easier to control too.

Though as polls prior to the referendum showed, and as national disinterest continues to show - the EU was not a priority, it was never something people cared about. When this all dies down - that is what will return. If the next govt work on fixing the domestic problems that we have... people will forget that the EU even exists. It was a non-issue. It can be again.

I think 'Remainers' will be joined in their anger as a gradual realisation that so much has gone downhill due to the 'leavers'. It may be a year or two down the line but unless the Gov can make things 'right' like a shiny NHS and replace and improve job prospects that many risk losing when/if Airbus/Nissan/BMW etc depart, which they wouldn't do immediately anyway, they will simply not invest and wind down.

It might be something relatively simple, like losing the cheap flights to Spain and Greece which turn people round.

Exactly . Going ahead with brexit is a far riskier prospect in terms of population anger than cancelling it. If it's cancelled all remainers are happy, those who couldn;t be bothered to vote will not be bothered, those who couldn't vote will be relieved, many leavers can be bought off and a few racists will be upset (they may not even riot - just bemoan the state of events).

But as jobs are lost and the NHS is privatised, the leavers will end up even angrier than the remainers. They may still not place the blame where it lies - but they will still be causing trouble.

As long term strategies go - trying to prevent a small amount of disobedience now but in doing so create the potential for mass unrest further down the line is a terrible one. Sadly - our govt is very good at terrible long term strategy.

I am a Remainer and I am not happy.. The Gov and 'leavers' have messed up my life already and I won't get back what I have lost.

Exactly 54321

many leavers can be bought off

I'm going to be proactive and reveal a thought I had at the time about how some Leavers could be bought off. Obviously some have a ( misguided) beliefs, passion and an agenda.

However there were those who generally felt they wanted some kind of a change, and didn't feel the EU had conferred any benefit . This is based on some of my Daily Mail reading great aunts. I think they'd have been happy to vote remain if they'd got an M and S voucher with an EU logo on it, so they could actually feel a tangible benefit.

It might be something relatively simple, like losing the cheap flights to Spain and Greece which turn people round.

Monarch went under. EasyJet has moved HQ to Austria. RyanAir has reiterated many warnings over Brexit .

This doesn't seem to be making much difference.

www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/96424/ministers-warned-there-will-be-no-sleep-chequers
Ministers warned there will be no sleep at Chequers as Theresa May tries to broker Brexit agreement

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
EXCL Ministers warned there will be no sleeping at next week's Chequers Brexit summit - because there aren't enough beds for them all. No one leaves till there's an agreement, so it'll be an endurance test as much as anything.

Jesus wept.

The government haven't realised they haven't done the coursework they should have started weeks ago. And now the deadline is tomorrow, so they have pull an all nighter to get it done before the deadline.

Anyone who did this more often than they should have (ahem) also knows that even if you do manage to pull it off, what you've written really is substandard and a significant number of times you are just not going to have those 5000 words nailed by 9am.

Yet, Brexit.

I had booked flights with Monarch for a winter holiday earlier this year, fortunately on my credit card, so I got my money back. However, there was and still is airline capacity for the major holiday destinations. I was able to rebook with another carrier and got a better deal although I had to change the airport which was more inconvenient for one traveller, and better for another.

I was thinking more if the planes are not allowed to fly, or if visas are introduced. No, we didn't have visas for W Europe before but the Twin Towers hadn't been attacked, and the more severe rules brought in then. You did need visas for E Europe.

I thought Cameron was the essay crisis man who pulled all nighters? I can't imagine that Theresa May was like that - more of a swotty type who got her essays written early.

In the plus side, stamps in your passport are pretty cool.

I thought Cameron was the essay crisis man who pulled all nighters? I can't imagine that Theresa May was like that - more of a swotty type who got her essays written early.

Cameron was the all nighter who would still get grades as good as swatty May. And at least he had fun at university (even if he was a total arse in the process) instead of thinking the height of going crazy was running about in the fields of wheat.

Well we all know what good rational decisions we make when we are sleep deprived.
News of the steelmaking merger. Good, Port Talbot won't close but there will be significant job losses and the head office is going to be in the Netherlands.
If planes can't fly and ships can't sail due to crashing out or no deal then one might hope the Gov gets into gear pronto.

Just to point out a lot of leavers may be getting angry already too... there were people who thought they were voting for Norway plus... stay in single market keep freedom of movement but not be part of ever closer union. I'm pretty sure I remember that version being punted.

Has anyone challenged any Brexiteers over the fact the UK can't even keep itself in lettuce fgs ....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44664834

Has anyone challenged the Brexiters over the fact that this is the country they want a special relationship with.

Migrant mum called 'animal' for breastfeeding www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44665112

Now it seems even Virgin can't stomach the Home Office

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44665397