Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2018 08:04

It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

Westminstenders: Don't Panic!
OP posts:
Thread gallery
22
Cherrypi · 21/06/2018 18:42

Maybe the UK could stay in but England leave the UK - problem solved.

Cherrypi · 21/06/2018 18:44

That Coventry youth BBC article was a bit odd. I wouldn’t really classify it as news.

prettybird · 21/06/2018 18:44

That has been suggested Cherrypi Grin - but of course, England doesn't want to give up its last colonies Hmm

would solve an awful lot of problems Wink

54321go · 21/06/2018 18:50

Agree that BBC 'report' was crap, but it showed that even 18 year olds manage to think past the unicorns and cake.
Hell, even if it was pointed out that phone roaming charges will go up they would have voted remain. Correct argument but wrong (real) reason.
Gibraltar was (slightly) discussed on here a couple of days ago. It is a tiny area with 35,000 inhabitants. As it does not really produce much in terms of goods, simplified customs arrangements can be applied.
A bit of 'fudging' perhaps.

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2018 18:53

Laura Kuennsberg @ bbclaurak
Electoral Commission expected to report on July 4th or 5th - draft findings suggest Brexit campaigns did break the rules, and recommend at least one fine - but being challenged by legal teams - story online v soon

OP posts:
Icantreachthepretzels · 21/06/2018 18:57

Just a reminder Wales voted to leave

prettybird · 21/06/2018 19:01

Indeed Hmm - and since then (like Cornwall) have been pleading that their subsidies from the EU are maintained Confused

All that traffic that comes through Wales to/from Holyhead will be disappearing too or backing up along the A55 . Hmm

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/06/2018 19:16

Yes many of the areas that voted most strongly for brexit are the areas that will be most disastrously affected by it (Grimsby anyone?).

But claims that only England voted for brexit and the rUk want to stay in (as seen upthread) are false.

54321go · 21/06/2018 19:20

@RTB Were there rules about not talking unsubstantiated crap then?

I have a feeling that in the 'information period' before the vote that at least one party said it would retain funds to regions that got EU funding.
Maybe my imagination though.

54321go · 21/06/2018 19:24

Obviously someone who knows might step in but as far as I remember, Scotland and NI were pretty decisively Remain and Wales Remain but not by a huge margin.
The 'Turkeys voting for Christmas' is a triumph of electioneering.

CardinalSin · 21/06/2018 19:34

Still catching up, but for those in need, here's Emergency Kittens.

auntiebasil · 21/06/2018 19:35

Wales voted Leave. I spend a lot of time in NWales and only saw Remain posters in the run up to the referendum. However, South Wales which has the larger population swung the vote to Leave. Guess all the inward investment from the EU to Wales didn't swing opinion. Doubt we'll see it matched from Westminster.

auntiebasil · 21/06/2018 19:36

Thank you for the Emergency Kittens.

prettybird · 21/06/2018 19:37

Wales did vote Leave, but iirc by a very tiny margin.

Scotland was 62:38 and I can't remember what NI was. 54:46? I know that some at least of the Scottish Leave vote was of thrawn Unionist Remainers who "wanted to stick one on that smug-faced Sturgeon" Hmm (direct quote from a fellow plane passenger). I bet they're feeling a bit sick now Confused hell mend them

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/06/2018 19:38

I do know.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36612308

Pretty easy to google.

NI voted remain by 55% - which considering the border issue is bafflingly low.

Scotland voted remain buy the highest margin (over 60%) but thy had (proportionally) the lowest turn out I think. 1.6 million voted remain, 1.018 million voted to leave.

It wasn't really a landslide anywhere.

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/06/2018 19:38

apart from Grimsby

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/06/2018 19:41

Wales did vote Leave, but iirc by a very tiny margin.

It was 52%, which as we all know is the exact number needed to be classes as full on will of the people Hmm

England voted leave by 53%

really not much in it anywhere - as seen by the overall 52/48 split.

auntiebasil · 21/06/2018 19:45

Can I recommend Grandpa Mason and his kittens on Facebook? An old feral cat too ill to be returned to the wild who has had a new lease of life fostering abandoned kittens.

Cherrypi · 21/06/2018 19:54

Wow that guardian article is pretty sobering stuff. The EU have earmarked money for future Irish peace talks in the event of no deal. Have the UK done any no deal prep yet?

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 21/06/2018 20:27

From the Guardian article (I’ve bolded the notable part):

A senior UK government source warned that a no-deal outcome would only suit the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. “If we were, God forbid, to get into the situation where you had a sour divorce and an acrimonious future relationship, I don’t think that does any good for anybody,” the source said. “That’s a complete lose-lose situation.

“The only people who’d have a smile on their faces are people in the Kremlin and elsewhere who wish European democracies ill.”

I wonder how close to home that source knows “elsewhere” to be...

QuentinSummers · 21/06/2018 20:39

.

TumbleTussocks · 21/06/2018 20:57
SwedishEdith · 21/06/2018 21:08

I know that some at least of the Scottish Leave vote was of thrawn Unionist Remainers who "wanted to stick one on that smug-faced Sturgeon" hmm (direct quote from a fellow plane passenger).

There were some on the Scottish board here saying the same - I remember reading them at the time.

Talkstotrees · 21/06/2018 21:16

And a significant proportion of leave voting friends said they did so to stick it to Cameron.

Swipe left for the next trending thread