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Brexit

Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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RedToothBrush · 21/06/2018 08:04

It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

Westminstenders: Don't Panic!
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MrsRRR · 25/06/2018 11:05

I e mailed the bbc after the last March to complain about pro brexit bias
At least this time it was reported. But...yes. you have to wonder why?
Why now?
I'd like to think its because people are coming to their senses but I fear it's rather more like pointing out the "traitors" and unbelievers...

MrsRRR · 25/06/2018 11:05

woman
A house on the north Antrim coast would do me fine Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 25/06/2018 11:24

A "nationalist working class revolution" led by tax-dodging oligarchs resident abroad and wealthy spivs like hedge-funders - all planning to loot and rip of the workers

topcat1980 · 25/06/2018 11:28

Totally Bigchoc.

The stuff about hurting the middle classes and a house price crash really show the ignorance of how economics works.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/06/2018 12:06

A Brexit house price crash would destroy the Tory party for a generation and let Labour really move to the left in govt - most Leavers seem rabidly rightwing and would hate 20+ years of being ruled by "mc luvvies" and strict pc

topcat1980 · 25/06/2018 12:39

The house price crash thing really gets to me. A crash does not benefit the poor, or make it easier to get on the housing ladder. If anything it makes it harder.

Its just easy for people with significant assets and liquid cash to snap up properties and make the whole problem worse.

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2018 12:40

Tom Newton Dunn @ tnewtondunn
A mild slap down for Jeremy Hunt from PM. No10 refused to endorse his attack on Airbus for publicly criticising Brexit strategy, saying only its “a matter for them”.

He was following the party line... ?

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woman11017 · 25/06/2018 12:53

Guess which brexit minister is interested in buying gold?

@SamCoatesTimes
DONT PANIC!
😯
But the Brexit “no deal” minister appears to be very interested in gold....
🥇
twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1011203414565498880

And James Patrick has just posted a story on bitcoin, brexit etc which I can't make any sense of.

woman11017 · 25/06/2018 12:57

By all accounts Turkey's economy is due to crash in 18 months when autocracy is truly embedded, like wise here; could this have been co ordinated?

20nil · 25/06/2018 12:58

Honestly, it’s hard to see how anything can ruin the Tories for a generation, even a property crash. They seem to be able to get away with ruining education, the NHS and transport, completely mishandling Brexit, telling business to fuck off, lying about taxes, refusing to cost budget promises, being at war with themselves etc ... they are SO lucky to be opposed by Corbyn’s Labour.

topcat1980 · 25/06/2018 13:30

"They are SO lucky to be opposed by Corbyn’s Labour."

Who won seats and a % of the vote off them in a snap election designed to give them a landslide.

The Tories will be out for a generation if this goes badly.

54321go · 25/06/2018 13:41

On the basis that Mark Carney (was it he) already estimates the average household has lost around £900 I thing IF is rather optimistic. It's happening now and we haven't got there yet.

MrsRRR · 25/06/2018 13:41

You have to wonder what corbyns plan is...
If there is one?

topcat1980 · 25/06/2018 13:57

I think Corbyn, like May is in a difficult political bind.

All poltiical parties said they would go along with the result of the referendum, and whilst it was advisory this wasn't made clear to the general public.

Outright opposing Brexit could be as disasterous for him as backing it, so the party hang around in the middle looking aimless.

However trying to blame Corbyn when this mess is entriely of Tory party making is exactly what the right will do, they never take responsibility, its always someone else.

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2018 14:52

Boris fucked off to Afghanistan then

Justine Greening @ JustineGreening
Great you’re back Greg! I wouldn’t want any long term MP campaigners against #Heathrow expansion to miss their chance to represent their community. #commitment #bulldozer

Ouch

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PineappleSunrise · 25/06/2018 15:00

I suspect Boris has calculated that he doesn't need votes from round Heathrow. The rest of the country doesn't care about the Heathrow spat, and he's been pretty clear on taking a leaf from the Trump playbook. In a nutshell, he's targeting the voters he's always disdained by pretending to be on their side. If they're angry about any policy over the past 20 years, he'll blame it on immigrants and the EU, they'll lap it up, and everyone will conveniently forget that he's always been a member of "the elite."

BigChocFrenzy · 25/06/2018 15:02

20nil (is that name your prediction for England v Germany Grin ?)

All the screw-ups you listed are not very important to the age 65+ selfish Tory core vote who hanker back to the momochrome England of their youth
(polls suggest 70% in this age group always vote Tory, but remember that 30% do not)

Property prices are one of the very few things they care about, because they love their windfalls hard-earned wealth

bellinisurge · 25/06/2018 15:04

@topcat1980 the fault is primarily with Brexit voters but also with those who didn't work hard enough to campaign against it when they had a chance to.
But as it's all going to be brilliant, there won't be a problem.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/06/2018 15:08

imo, if Labour were led by a "normal" soft left leader, they would be 20% ahead.
If the leader were particularly able at getting centrist votes, like a young Blair, or maybe a Jarvis, make that 30% ahead

This is the most incompetent govt in living memory,
clearly screwing up the most important negotiations & decisions since WW2,
maybe screwing up the country's future for the next 30+ ŷears

Any competent Opposition should have been slaughtering them over the last year
instead of providing an unofficial "confidence & supply" agreement

Also, any decent Labour leader would have been making it clear for months that some Tories are flirting with fascism.
They missed the chance to capitalise on so many Tory own goals, e.g. Boris's "fuck business" remark.

topcat1980 · 25/06/2018 15:19

"I suspect Boris has calculated that he doesn't need votes from round Heathrow. "

Hmmm, he is MP for Uxbridge and a huge number of people are opposed to the expansion because of the noise from the flight paths.

"also with those who didn't work hard enough to campaign against it when they had a chance to."

No I don't accept this. The In campaign was well run, the leave campaign need to own their victory, that they went to such lengths to get.

Peregrina · 25/06/2018 15:20

I am 65+ and have never voted Tory. Nor do I intend to start.

I have only heard this second hand but when questioned why Boris Johnson wasn't objecting to the third Heathrow runway, Grease -Smug on Radio 4 said that this was while he was Mayor. Now he's no longer Mayor he doesn't need to stick to what he said then. He apparently said the same about something Cameron said, that was said before the election. The subsequent election wipes that statement out. Now by the same token, a subsequent election, which May did not win, should wipe out the Brexit mandate. I wonder if Grease-Smug thought of that?

Violetparis · 25/06/2018 15:21

I don't agree with the view that Labour would be 20% ahead with a centrist leader like Tony Blair. I think leave voters would reject the party in their millions. Not sure if Tory/Lib Dems remainers would make up the shortfall.

enochroot · 25/06/2018 15:26

I must be in the 30% of 65 year olds that doesn't vote Tory then. Never have and never will.

EmilyAlice · 25/06/2018 15:32

I'm in the 30% too. Though I was brought up in a Tory household and frogmarched into the Young Conservatives I left when I found out how dim they all were and how ugly the boys were and then progressed to the barricades of '68. Never looked back. 😀

BigChocFrenzy · 25/06/2018 15:33

Those of us on Westministenders threads are self-selecting to be seeking facts not fantasy,
generally pro-EU
and (except for the occasional visitor) with zero tolerance for politicians who flirt with fascism

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