Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

I was thinking more along the lines of Ireland/n Ireland actually...

It's all a pipedream anyway...

Dh in denial

Ds1 in middle of his gsce years

Might get the house valued anyway...

Oh Northern Ireland peace is just an inconvenient problem for you?

Shame about reality and life being complicated. We all wish life were simple. Sadly it's not and wishful thinking won't change that.

Sorry...is that directed at me??

www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash
Brexit’s Big Short: How Pollsters Helped Hedge Funds Beat the Crash
Private polls—and a timely ‘concession’ from the face of Leave—allowed the funds to make millions off the pound’s collapse.

Stuart Wallace @ Stuart Wallace
Private Brexit polls—and a timely ‘concession’ from the face of Leave—allowed hedge funds to make millions off the pound’s collapse.

Farage did nicely out of Brexit

Sam Coates Times@ samcoatestimes
Pugnacious quote from defence minister Guto Bebb, issued to The Times out of dismay at Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt’s anti-business comments at the weekend....

I think you misunderstand what MrsRRR meant : she wasn't saying she just wants to leave the EU - she was saying she just wants to leave the UK implicitly because of the clusterfuck that is Brexit Hence why Ireland was an option.

So she wants to leave the leavers!

Ah I see...

I'm a remainer and have been on theses boards for months.

I want to leave the UK, not the EU.

I thought my post made that quote clear. Obv not.

BigChocFrenzy - as an Indy supporting Scot, I look on the Brexit shenanigans with a degree of schadenfreude. I see the hypocrisy - but it doesn't surprise me . So much of the Brexit script and the lack of informed MSM reporting (especially the BBC), I could have written from our experience during the Indyref campaign

I knew before the Indyref itself that the greater risk to "Scotland in the EU" was if we stayed in the UK - indeed I extracted a promise from my one swithering-and-ultimately-No-voting friend that if we were pulled out of the EU against our will (which I told her was the greater risk), she would campaign for Independence. She has stood by that - left the Labour Party and got involved with various Indy campaigns.

And as you say, massive pressure on both businesses and the retail sector to talk about negative consequences - much of it then misreported by the media. I remember watching an interview with the head of John Lewis saying that they themselves wouldn't choose to change prices - and that some might actually go down as well as up, depending on the corporate tax regime in Scotland - and then seeing it screamed reported as "John Lewis chief says that prices will go up if Scotland votes Yes" Ditto with supermarkets - Tesco pointed out that prices included distribution costs and that was reported as "prices will go up"

Motheroffourdragons - the SNP had been supporting the 3rd runway as they had been assured that there would be extra slots for Scottish airports and a consequent economic benefit. However, there has been no communication from the Government when clarifying questions were asked in recent weeks. And we all know that this Government can be trusted to follow through on verbal commitments even written ones

Sorry, MrsRRR - I thought you were a Leaver in the 'hurry up and get on with Leaving' boat. My apologies.

@faisalislam
Told this also applied to the reported comments of the Foreign Secretary over the weekend, a source said

“The ‘f... business’ line and shoot the messenger line is not Government policy”...

'the f.....business line' : this is how debased english tories are.

Children are hearing this.

5 years residency should get me Irish passport, MrsRR My Irish grandparent is a generation out. A wee cottage by the sea would do me nicely.

I am a bit puzzled as to why the BBC made such a big splash of it. Our march in March 2017 was also big, but the BBC chose to make Carswell defecting from UKIP the big story, and only got round to saying 'Oh BTW, there was a bit of an anti-Brexit march in London today' on the Six o'clock news.

On the shorting the market story with Farage, not sure if this is also relevant: Bitt coins and mogg
ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/

And yet, despite having Farage in record and all the other shenanigans, someone will still crop up and tell us these self indulgent arse wipes have the best interests of us all at heart.

I agree Mother - personally, I think the focus on Heathrow as a hub airport will only ever escalate the problems, increasing the over heating in the South East.

There should be more focus on encouraging direct flights from other UK airports. Much more convenient for users than having to transit Heathrow (remember the Icelandair ads which said "Avoid England" that they were made to change to "Avoid Heathrow" ).

Maybe in an independent Scotland, either Glasgow or Edinburgh Airports will blossom (Although Glasgow Airport desperately needs a direct rail link).

The bus is pretty good and quick and takes you direct into the centre.

Personally, I'd not use a rail service as I'm only 15 minutes away (

The BBC splash suggests that there is growing realisation among those who are not stupid or wilfully ignorant
that Brexit no deal would be a disaster

At least some there don't want to be part of the post-mortem enquiry into what British institutions failed the country

I see surferjet and others on another thread are still depciting Brexit like some working class revolution against EU/Government oppression.

"They didn't listen to us about our concerns about immigration and just called us racist". Might that be because the area you live in has little to no immigration, and even when it does it isn't responsible for the things you blame it on.

For people to be actively concerned about problems, the problems have to be real, otherwise we just end up making policies based on emotion.

Which I guess Brexit is