Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

Singapore plan also particularly bad for EU citz and poor working class Leavers. And most likely would mean a lot more non-white immigration than we currently have. Which isn't going to please little Englander Leavers.

People it works for?

Those with lots of money.

I’m getting myself so confused. What happens to the NI border if there’s no deal?

What happens to the NI border if there’s no deal?

RoI looks set to loosen cannabis laws, just for added frisson ....

www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0622/972527-taoiseach-expert-group-cannabis/

Ginger Under WTO rules, there would have to be a hard border with customs posts
In fact, that would have to happen for any deal that doesn't include the Single Market + Customs arrangements, for NI at least.

British Aerospace short-sightedly sold its stake in Airbus in the early Naughties for short-term profit
and then when it tried to buy it back, the others refused, saying it was too unreliable a partner.

So Airbus is mainly owned by the French, German & Spanish govts.

Nationalising Airbus would start an immediate trade war, with sanctions imposed on the UK, probably also the EU appealing to the WTO and international courts

If the UK could become a tax haven it will only really benefit those within the 'square mile'. Companies would need a lot or persuasion (bribery) to get them to set up manufacturing.
It's getting to the point where 'Dead Ringers' sounds like a bona fide news broadcast.

Singapore option, not compatable with EU demands for NI.

So No Deal.

Even though May already signed a legal document with the EU about NI....

Everything is pointing to Singapore right now.

Regarding investment from overseas, this is what has been happening to FDI (Foreign Direct Investment)

Why do I feel that all the MPs are actually on holiday or 'incapacitated' through drink/drugs and that there is a 18 year old 'youth opportunities' person writing random stuff and signing it from assorted MPs to go to the press?

Thats unfair to 18 year olds.

Let MPs own their own crap rather than blame someone else for it.

It would be fascinating to watch the country lurching from Tory Singapore on Thames to Labour socialist paradise and back again as various governments were voted in and out. If we still get to vote of course. And if you were watching it from the international space station.

I didn't know the International space station had a kennel out the back where the UK rep lives.
RTB, only 1 18 your old and they are only doing it between tweets.

Heartening to see that on the AIBU threads that the 'start of the football' has more contributors than the main current Brexit thread.

I feel a bit wicked now. Top of the 'todays discussions' is talking about holidays being expensive.
Should I go on and tell them it will be around 10 percent more PLUS visas all round from March next year?

If we still get to vote of course.

Singapore is not a liberal democracy.

Political free speech is limited.

Over on Dr North’s blog today, JDD is suggesting that the EU side might walk away from the table this week, as the UK is just not bothering.

I’m back to despondency. I’d be prepared to sell up and go now, but my husband really loves his job, and what if we throw it all away and it turns out to be not so bad in the end?

Though I’m sick of all the little England racist bullshit - I’d be happy to go anyway, even if things don’t collapse. Bit stuck now.

Re Boris's "Fuck business", I was more shocked it was in the Telegraph.

I feel exactly the same ball and my dh is just like yours....sigh

Almost by definition ALL money has to come from the taxpayer eventually, by your 'labour' of actually doing or making something.
Manufacturing helps 'magnify' your efforts. (more money in for the same work).

Do it 54321!!!

Sorry, ttprw, I NEED to get some work done and it would only lead to arguments. I suppose a decent one liner finishing with 'get over it' should do.

The Singapore plan won't wash with the EU. Its only doable with a hard no deal brexit.

The Singapore plan isn't very compatible with the EHCR either. And leaving the ECHR is only doable with a hard no deal brexit.

Also the Singapore model isn't very doable in a liberal democracy.

When are you going to get to its downsides?

@common
Rather than your 'soundbite' approach we would like to hear from you any sort of workable plan.
The downsides to many of the government's plans are that they are illegal. This means BIG expense.
There is so far NO real solution to the NI border issue unless you can think of one that would work and would be legal, OTHER than remaining in the Customs Union and Single Market.
Over to you.
PS, crashing out with no deal is illegal.

Crashing out is actually legal, just economic suicide - no law against that
As for people: we no longer imprison unsuccessful suicides.

However, the EU could go to an international court to force the UK to pay outstanding bills, the £39 billion
and might impose trade sanctions - which might not make much difference though, if the ports are log-jammed anyway.

Also, some powerful investors could be entitled under international law to sue the UK govt for losses

• the Treasury reportedly has ear-marked a few £ billion in case of this

If the Uk economy is in total meltdown, shortages, rationing, businesses pulling out, high unemployment …
the EU might quietly wait 20 years or so until the UK is in a position to pay and has a govt that decides to honour its debts

Hitler stopped repaying US loans in the 1930s, but Germany in the early 1950s - still with rationing and rebuilding from the rubble - chose to start repaying again, to restore their reputation for financial honesty.