Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3286829-To-have-not-realised-that-Cuba-is-in-the-Caribbean

that businesses need clarity and certainty, and that they should get behind PM at a critical moment in negotiations

who is working for who ?

I think public opinion has changed - amongst those who are paying attention. And though we might bemoan people who are politically disengaged / not paying attention, they’re also the ones who just don’t bother to show up on Election Day.

If the people paying attention have changed their views - and a hell of a lot of Leave voters have - then there is a change.

There were a lot of Corbynite brocialists on twitter yesterday banging on about how wrong it is to target Jezza and the marchers are all elitists, he’s not PM so he’s blameless blah blah blah. They say the “strategy” is to leave the Tories to it, give them enough rope to hang themselves, then win the next GE and usher in the glorious revolution.

Well, it’s not working is it? People are begging Jeremy Corbyn to oppose Brexit, oppose the government as he should, and try to help get us out of this now. It’ll be too late very, very soon. And people are blaming him for not taking a stand, with good reason.

We have a minority government that is all at sea. It’s an open goal that Corbyn should have been attacking, attacking, attacking for a year. He’s a disgrace, as is their “strategy”.

Both sides are entirely focussed on winning / staying in power, instead of rescuing the country. They’re both waiting for it all to fall apart, hoping to look like our saviours on the other side. I don’t think that’s going to pan out for either party.

Hunt is/was a Remainer and represents a Remainer constituency.

He is, however, a Party man that seldom, if ever, strays from the Party line.
I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t have his sights on the Leadership.

The sheer hypocrisy of Mr Hunt.
British investors for hundreds of years have 'done the dirty' on everyone, pulling out of deals and leaving the mess.
The profits from sugar built a fair chunk of Liverpool 'paid for' by slaves.
The shits in Government even paid COMPENSATION to the companies (their mates) when slavery was abolished, because slaves were 'property'.

anyway, Mr. Hunt really needs to be encouraging the foreign investors - you know: the ones with money.

Want to know how the future might go ? Look at the past:

At Nuremberg, Funk was accused by Allied prosecutors of having been closely involved in the State confiscation and disposal of the property of German Jews. He boasted that by 1938, the German state had confiscated Jewish property worth two million marks, using decrees from Hitler and other top Nazis to force German Jews to leave their property and assets to the State if they emigrated, such as the Reich Flight Tax

Brexit flight tax = even has the same number of letter [woo]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_Funk

I googled Funk, because one country that was quite keen to invest in Nazi Germany was the US (Grandaddy Bush, and Ford, for a start).

British investors for hundreds of years have 'done the dirty' on everyone, pulling out of deals and leaving the mess.

Cadburys springs to mind.

Even if Corbyn lied through his teeth and had everything crossed but actually said to 'the party 'We see the way that the Tories have made a mess but WE are going to reverse Brexit, talk to the EU and stay in', it might be the best approach. He may be filled with self loathing for the rest of his days on a nice pension but would gain some credibility.

German state had confiscated Jewish property
DGR exactly that happened in our family. An great uncle returned to and became an eminent German reparations lawyer and Germany paid back reparations to surviving family members.
African Americans have argued quite rightly for reparations for slavery.

Still no one wanting to hazard a guess as to who the UK's next 'best buddy' will be?
Although not 'down and out' British industry needs inward investment, where is it going to come from, from outside Britain?

Surely Hunt is the least popular Conservative politician there is, although it's a close battle with Gove. I can't believe either of them are being touted as future leaders. Gove had to be moved out of education before the 2015 election in case he lost the Tories more votes.

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1010786469567442944

@carolecadwalla
Yesterday @arronbanks & @andywigmore of LeaveEU bullied & threatened us ahead of this story we publish today about how they bully & threaten MPs & journalists.

There's quite a ding dong between Jo Maugham and various BBC types too right now.

Grieve was terrorised into capitulation, I have no doubt.

Trouble is most people in this country are frighteningly politically ignorant and unengaged - haven't got a clue about how political institutions operate, their different roles etc. They'll proudly admit their disinterest in politics like a badge of honour.

That associated with the fact most people don’t want to hear about Brexit anymore (see what happens to Brexit threads on MN. They are relegated to the Brexit topic an hidden by lots of people)

And the idea that you just can’t change anything at all because it’s all decided by the ‘rich’ or ‘London’ so there is no point in even trying.

It’s a toxic mix and one that allows a group of people (the conservatives atm) to do whatever they want wo a whimper from the general population.

Anyone challenging TM before the next election won’t need to be popular with anyone outside the Conservative party.

On the Twitter link that woman11017 posted above, there are emails discussing digging up dirt on the Newsnight editor Ian Katz. He is married to Justine Roberts (mumsnet co-founder).

So, looking at the bit about Mr Hunt on the BBC website, it suggests he may be 'pushed' into reducing corporation tax to help international businesses.
This of course means that income tax will have to rise for ordinary people (unless money really does grow on trees or someone has an immensely large sofa with cash under it).
An estimate of 3-4 percent just to provide the £350Million a week 'promised' to the NHS
Suggesting that the plans will be clear and made available 'later in the year', presumably after some businesses need to get clarity so they can make their plans.
What next?

Cadburys springs to mind

Once upon a time Caburys was a Quaker company that built houses for its workers, understanding that better living conditions (close to their premises) made for better and more loyal workers, who got more than just wages.

The entire concept of doing that seems unthinkable with a 2018 mindset.

This Brexit stuff is all tosh what we need are REAL in depth reviews to educate the public. As this is MN I suggest we start off with handbags.

@RTB
Titus Salt in Yorkshire.

Once upon a time the miners built libraries too.

Saltaire in fact!

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Re: corporation tax, it’s the Singapore plan. Turn the UK into a tax haven.

The Singapore plan won't wash with the EU. Its only doable with a hard no deal brexit.

The Singapore plan isn't very compatible with the EHCR either. And leaving the ECHR is only doable with a hard no deal brexit.

Also the Singapore model isn't very doable in a liberal democracy.

Right, and at the moment the only possible hard Brexit option is No Deal. Every other proposal is unworkable because of NI.