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Westminstenders: Don't Panic!

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RedToothBrush · 21/06/2018 08:04

It's official

Brexit is like an episode of Dads Army with the government, being Captain Mainwaring's trusty band of elite forces doing battle against the evil Mr Barnier.

Yesterday Parliament gave back control to the executive as it surrendered parliamentary sovereignty to Janus faced May. Grieve, it has to be said, truly did look like a broken man as he gave his speech in the commons. Not that we should have too much sympathy. After all he did just put party before country.

So where are we now? The ERG are happy. They have successfully bullied enough until everyone else gave up and folded. They now have no incentive to compromise, as they know that no one can stand up to them. They want no deal, and it's no deal they will force.

The EU are thoroughly fed up and it's difficult to see them do anything but cut us loose saying Brexit means Brexit, this is what you wanted. They have stepped up planning for no deal and their plans were already much more advanced than ours.

We go into the next round of talks with a solution to the Irish Border looking further away than ever. Not helped by the fact that brexit nationalism is restricted to England alone, with many being happy to let NI be sunk into the Irish sea and the favour the rebuilding of Hadrian's wall in order to keep out the foreigners.

It's hard to resist simply sitting down wailing "we doomed". But try to resist and keep saying, you are against this crap. If only so history books don't just say we all agreed to this clusterfuck.

Here have a fluffy bunny to help comfort you.

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Hasenstein · 22/06/2018 18:08

Icantreach

All on here:

www.peoples-vote.uk/transport

Might bump into you there, but who would know?Grin

54321go · 22/06/2018 18:08

Thanks Mother. They should be OK for Eire to EU runs then but not to the UK.
Having to go 'around' the UK will cost more in fuel though.

HesterThrale · 22/06/2018 18:33

Michael O'Leary has made all sorts of statements about Brexit over the last 2 years. Here's a couple:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/07/ryanairs-michael-oleary-threatens-ground-planes-brexit-make/amp/

www.ft.com/content/c9e5b9ae-5cba-11e8-9334-2218e7146b04

Tambien · 22/06/2018 18:36

The Home Office has sent me a letter today highlighting how the new Settled Status is going to work.

The settled status as its planned atm has NOT planned anything if the U.K. come out of the eu with No Deal in March 2019.
When asked about it, minister in charge refused to answer. Probably because there is nothing planned....
Does it mean all 3 millions of eu citizens would suddenly become illegal immigrants??

And there is only an electronic version for it. Can you imagine? The risk of the HO having system issues (never happened) the system changing so information can’t be accessed 20 or 30 years down the line.

Ah and how will I be proving that as an EU citizen I am here legally wo a bit of paper to show the NHS/Police/border/landlords/banks/whoever else is supposed to do the imigration checks for the HO???

I utterly despair at the total lack of organisation and planning for the whole thing.

woman11017 · 22/06/2018 18:41

This from the King of Denmark.

@WillemAlexander
Dear Mr. trump. You see this beautiful building? Its the International Court of Justice in Our Residency The Hague, the Netherlands. It's waiting for you. It might take a while but it's waiting....

Brenda's crew's silence on our own 'situation' is deafening.

Many 'royal' families intervene to attempt to defend others who live in the same place as them ( and pay for them).

Priorities.

Theworldisfullofgs · 22/06/2018 19:11

Mini have just made an announcement too.

If Airbus goes with their 14000 jobs plus the associated 110000 jobs, it's the equivalent of the whole of Watford losing their jobs.

There's a rumour on Twitter that they want a no deal so they can install a 'wartime gov' and give Boris his Churchill moment.

twitter.com/Tommoriarty16/status/1009545614085025795?s=19

Buteo · 22/06/2018 19:15

If that’s the plan, is it wrong to hope that Boris’s Churchill moment might involve a gun carriage?

Peregrina · 22/06/2018 19:17

The march is supposed to start in Pall Mall, but they say that if there are lots of people, they will back up towards Piccadilly. So depending on what time we get there we will go towards Piccadilly and walk towards Pall Mall if necessary.

SwedishEdith · 22/06/2018 19:18

I'm not sure that's a real account.

mybrainhurtsalot · 22/06/2018 19:18

Headline in the Express: “Brexit Bill WON’T get Royal seal today as Queen is watching horse racing at Ascot”.

SwedishEdith · 22/06/2018 19:25

That was in reference to the Danish one. Willem Alexander is the king of the Netherlands - Denmark has a queen.

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 22/06/2018 19:29

There are credible accounts on twitter that firmly believe No Deal is the true endgame though, that the shambles is deliberate.

Just been reading this: www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/how-to-win-a-second-referendum

I know it seems like a strategy, but I just can’t see how the poison will ever be drained from our society now. Not without a catastrophe first. Ditto for the US. The divides just seem too big now.

54321go · 22/06/2018 19:30

The 'news' and it's reporting is getting weird.
Taken from the BBC website from a speech from CBI about Airbus;

{"They've also said that they're quite prepared to move production to places like China, which is not even in the European Union," he told the BBC.

"So how can that possibly be anything to do with Brexit?}

Is he being specially obtuse? Airbus want to make wings for their aircraft. In many respects it does not matter where they are made although somewhere near to where they are finally assembled would make sense (Toulouse I believe). So, the Brexit which makes manufacture and transportation (the customs aspect) more expensive isn't an issue?
What kind of 'deals' can the UK Gov come up with that aren't straight bribes to persuade these international companies from leaving?
I am sure there are established rules against bribery.

woman11017 · 22/06/2018 19:38

Wrong country, fake account too Swedish Blush
Have a safe and sunny day tomorrow, marchers.

Theworldisfullofgs · 22/06/2018 19:40

I think no deal was the end game too. Disaster capitalism all the way.
Maybe they think the country will be pulled together over brexit.
I'm being terribly mansplained to on Twitter by someone who only reads public finance documents and literally nothing else . He thinks brexit is brilliant. I'm not sure how he can come to that conclusion just from reading public finance docs.

SwedishEdith · 22/06/2018 19:46

There easy to miss, woman.

Buteo · 22/06/2018 19:47

54321 Longworth supports hard Brexit. He was removed from the position of head of the British Chamber of Commerce in March 2016 because he was in direct opposition to the neutral stance of the BCC. He will just deny that anything detrimental to the UK is anything to do with Brexit.

SwedishEdith · 22/06/2018 19:54

*They're !

ttprw · 22/06/2018 19:56

Food stocks begun ✔
Some meds stocked up✔
Need batteries etc
I'm fully expecting civil unrest when the full cost of brexit hits home to the plebs of course...People like JRM and bojo will be fine

Buteo · 22/06/2018 19:59

I like the way the BBC website said that BMW also has its Goodwood manufacturing plant in West Sussex and completely managed to avoid mentioning it’s the Rolls Royce plant.

Just imagine ... RR production being shifted to Germany?

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2018 20:26

and someone decided to start an AIBU thread that the EU will collapse soon ! GrinGrin

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 22/06/2018 20:41

Well I do think the EU will undergo some radical changes over the next few years, but that is the nature of the project.

This is what I hate about Brexiteer logic - the EU’s not perfect so let’s just take our ball and strop off in a huff instead of working on improving it.

It took 500 years to get from Magna Carta to Parliamentary democracy, and another 200 to refine it to its current state. The EU project is only 40 years old - let’s give it a bloody chance!

Any political system is in constant flux, responding to societal, economic and technological changes.

woman11017 · 22/06/2018 20:43

BMW joins Airbus in Brexit warning
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44582831

54321go · 22/06/2018 20:43

I suppose my point was that the BBC, certainly the 'home news' is so bland and 'neutral'. If it managed a hard bite in one direction and put the counter argument immediately following it would be much better and might persuade people to think.
Speaking of which I put a 'rantette' on the 'EU will collapse' thread and suggested that you look at the BBC website report on the war in the desert (Sahara). Membership of the EU helps the cohesion of the 'west' and hopefully keep the horrors from that war at bay.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2018 21:01

Interesting that this favourite delusion of Brexiters came into AIBU after the Airbus news Hmm

When it increasingly looks like you've screwed up your own country's future, the only way to justify it
- including to yourself - is to claim that the other countries will collapse soon too.