Westminstenders: Rebel or Reveal

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The EU Withdrawal Bill made it through the Commons. Though May did not manage it unscathed.

In an attempt to divide and conquer the Rebels, May might have damaged trust. We shall find out. The Grieve Amendment faces the Lords. We also will see if the Lords will back down on their amendments or apply some new ones for the Commons to deal with in Parliamentary Ping Pong.

Aaron Banks has been exposed as being pally with the Russian Embassy in a plot twist that absolutely everyone saw coming.

Meanwhile the EU thinks we have already run out of time and is preparing options to extend talks beyond the a50 deadline. These include having MEPs for the 2019 - 2024 session.

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

Theresa May has also announced - at a moment when she is looking particularly weak - a new tax for the NHS, cunningly disguised in spin as 'the Brexit dividend'. Of course shareholders don't always get dividends and at times of poor economic performance instead might be asked to stump up extra capital...Expect to see buses with £350 million of the side just in time for the next general election cycle.

And so the Zombie PM limbers on towards the end of the summer session and the relative safety of the summer holidays. More drama, cringing and disbelief guaranteed before we get there.

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall same here with the added issue that the reationship is dying and I will also have the issue of being able to leave the country with my dcs (H might not agree afterall)

My wifes MS makes any move an impossibility, so we'll keep the home fires burning.

I'm not actually surprised.

I like to wet the bed.
I don't like fascists.

Its turnip planting season.
Here is some tips on how to grow turnips

Don't you think it funny how Graham Taylor was nicknamed turnip head?

James Patrick believes the plan is for No Deal - that all of this chaos and apparent incompetence is actually very deliberate.

I’d like to think he’s wrong, but I think he might be right. Either way, we’re headed for the same result.

Tbh the government might Be hoping that the EU is going to give in at the last minute. This would be better for me/us but I hope it won’t.

I’m finding the arrogance brought into the négociation more and more distasteful by the day. The U.K. needs to learn they don’t control the world anymore. Nor are they one of the ‘Big’ countries that shape the world. They are just like France and Germany, small countries with a small voice.

Can someone explain to me what Grieve and Morgan have agreed to?

The BBC says "Speaker would be able to decide if MPs had the power to amend a motion on what to do if there is no agreement the EU"...so MPs have decided to dodge the issue and place all responsibility in the hands of the Speaker? Or is this another of Theresa's promises?

So where does this leave the Lords amendments now ? Does this count as taking them into account, or is it a new deal ?

There is no way the EU is giving in - they’ve been absolutely clear about their red lines, before and after the referendum, so no-one can claim we didn’t know what their position would be.

The EU has way too much to lose if they give in. Far more than they stand to lose if UK crashes out.

There was no reason to trigger article 50 or make hard Brexit the red lines for the UK. Every time wise voices have said that the govt will back down, they can’t possibly let [xxx] happen, [xxx] has happened.

At what point do we concede that this madness is the strategy?

At what point do we concede that this madness is the strategy?

I was there ages ago

Whole thread here with links on moving to other countries:
twitter.com/Geoelte_Spinne/status/1009302590943891457

I recommend a book by an mner called austerity housekeeping on amazon.

But this job's still up for grabs.
@StevePeers
Tories say £70k Brexit aviation chief 'doesn't need any knowledge of aviation'

It makes no sense to speak about the EU in terms of "giving in". They've nothing to "give in" to.

What they have got, is a tightly proscribed set of conditions and rules which have to be followed and met by the Brexit process. And this time we won't put aside the fact that the UK was instrumental in drafting these - we'll note it as the fucking centrepiece.

It's the UK that's in the shit. No plan. Nothing agreed, despite having had the better part of 2 years to do so.

Everything the EU has done was written down. As is everything it will do. The only variables are around timing, and response(s) to the UKs input.

If the Galileo incident (and how that echoes a Star Trek story ....) didn't wake some people up, there are plenty more moments like that already on the track. The articles I linked upthread about data sharing suggest the next shocks.

What are the thoughts about keeping a stash of cash?
(Not life savings :) just a few hundred if things go bad)

And right on cue, a job advert "strongly preferring" dual nationals has just popped into my inbox. Working with NASA ...

Whole thread here with links on moving to other countries:

That just makes me feel so frustrated . I've said before how our utterly crap timing, and the resulting massive financial/professional disruption, is the thing that has kept us here so far, and probably for the foreseeable future. It's just so infuriating when we would be more than happy to move countries otherwise.

I guess we'll just have to see how bad (or, let's be fair, how good ) things turn out to be and there will be a threshold below which we'll be saying "screw the financial losses etc, let's just get out" ... bearing in mind my criteria for a good Brexit outcome are slightly higher than "better than the Black Death" and "not quite Mad Max"

At 46 I think Dh and I are simply too old to be an attractive proposition to an overseas employer tbh.
So wish I'd started the process of getting mine and the kids Irish passports sooner :(
Shame as I'd go tomorrow....

@Tambien. {They are just like France and Germany, small countries with a small voice}
Not quite correct, Before this fiasco the UK had friends, depending how bad things get that situation will, at official levels, change.
@Mrs
Cash in Dollars maybe, or even Euros.
The Pound will probably bounce around like crazy as new 'wrinkles' to this disaster emerge.

mrsreynolds, don't forget small change, rather than large notes. a) people might not have change b) you alert people that you have a wedge of cash with large notes.

Can someone explain to me what Grieve and Morgan have agreed to?
They have agreed to put up and shut up.

Must admit I was wondering about euros...

All this for a 'face saving' exercise. OK Mrs May and a few others might be embarrassed as causers of a massive hiccup in UK/EU relationships but if she said 'OK, lets stay in' she can resign immediately and take a pension and sit somewhere comfortable.

Can't the highest judges rule that the vote was only an advisory and say it's not binding and wriggle a bit?