Westminstenders: Rebel or Reveal

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The EU Withdrawal Bill made it through the Commons. Though May did not manage it unscathed.

In an attempt to divide and conquer the Rebels, May might have damaged trust. We shall find out. The Grieve Amendment faces the Lords. We also will see if the Lords will back down on their amendments or apply some new ones for the Commons to deal with in Parliamentary Ping Pong.

Aaron Banks has been exposed as being pally with the Russian Embassy in a plot twist that absolutely everyone saw coming.

Meanwhile the EU thinks we have already run out of time and is preparing options to extend talks beyond the a50 deadline. These include having MEPs for the 2019 - 2024 session.

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

Theresa May has also announced - at a moment when she is looking particularly weak - a new tax for the NHS, cunningly disguised in spin as 'the Brexit dividend'. Of course shareholders don't always get dividends and at times of poor economic performance instead might be asked to stump up extra capital...Expect to see buses with £350 million of the side just in time for the next general election cycle.

And so the Zombie PM limbers on towards the end of the summer session and the relative safety of the summer holidays. More drama, cringing and disbelief guaranteed before we get there.

Can't the HoL keep throwing it back as long as it is the same parliamentary session? I imagine if they do then we go through all this again

Predictably, Labour MPs Field, Hoey, Mann and Stringer voted with the government.

Depressing.

Wish I was that young, MrsR.
On June 25th 2016 I did a massive shop/ bought foreign currency, and waited for the boot boys to come marching, it's just taken a bit longer, is all.

Fascism isn't great for women, and particularly wives and mothers. I'm damned if we are supposed to pick up the slack when there's no food, lights, security, or human rights (watch divorce law take a sudden lurch) I will be leaving this island one way or another, even if my old man doesn't hear what is really happening. In a plane crash adults have to put on oxygen masks first to then save their kids.

Even when the death camps were up and running, Jews did not believe their neighbours and gov could be so evil. A relative of ours travelled all the way back to Poland from Israel to tell them, they didn't believe her and were murdered in gas chambers by the Nazis of those days.

If our closest trading partner is locking up babies in cages and tents in 110degree desert heat, it's not looking good.

I imagine there will be a thriving black market in fake EU passports too.

I'm marching on Saturday.

www.peoples-vote.uk/march

Yeah.

Once the kids and I have our EU passports and it starts looking dodgy I'm off.

Dh or not :(

I'm marching on Saturday.

Me too, but with a grave sense of foreboding.

You’re wasting your time. Remember the Iraq war marches? We were ignored then, and we’ll be ignored now.

Me too on Sat.

"Starts" looking dodgy

Ha!

Sorry didn't mean to be intentionally sarcastic there...

Im hoping I can apply for the passports at the end of August.

Should be here by October?

Protests work.
That unspeakable creature has just revoked his child separation policy.

I'm marching too. With extended family members. I know of people coming from far and wide to march.
AndSheStepped I personally think you have to protest even if you think it's futile. I'd hate to look back in the future and see that I did nothing. Also the Govt could believe everyone's fine with it all, if not many show up to march.

I don't think the Iraq war marches were a waste of time.

In the end it proved there was a public reason for Chilcot.

Psychologically I am glad I did it. It wasn't meaningless for that reason.

I don't know how much of the stuff that has been talked about here is being broadcast 'sensibly' in the UK but to me a set of realistic broadcasts/newspaper reports on how things would go if the UK pulls out followed by a COMPULSORY new vote where the effects of leave will be outlined. Real things like some of the companies relocating. As I presume some of this is noticeable already it MIGHT make people think.
Or would this be too sensible?

I marched against Iraq too. And I’m sure there will be an enquiry on Brexit once it’s a fait accompli in exactly the same way.

There’s more than enough evidence for an enquiry now, but it won’t happen until it’s too late to make a difference.

There is no parliamentary opposition to brexit, the lords can’t help now, it’s over. Marching won’t make a blind bit of difference to the ideologues who are in charge of the parties on both sides of the house.

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Yes, it would be too sensible.

OK I give in. Have a look at this MN thread and try and equate it to this one.
{To think this is fucking horrendous)

Had there been several years of planning and realistic outcomes publicised, unicorns might have been possible but we had 'knee jerk' and I think there are two many words in that expression.

You could go for civil disobedience now, get ahead of the game and barricade the ministers into Westminster until they change their minds.

Going back to the slogans thing, I'd love to hear one of the Lords saying nothing is agreed until everything is agreed

Red - your threads have kept this lurking remainer sane for a couple of years now - but you're starting to sound barmy.

Can't the HoL keep throwing it back as long as it is the same parliamentary session?

They can in theory, but I think after a couple of rounds of ping pong they generally decide they have to cede to the wishes of the Commons.

I've been lurking for nearly two years.

Enjoyed this in the FT today - UK logistics industry warns of Brexit ‘catastrophe.

"...a customs agent, said that a great deal of political will was now required “to avoid the catastrophe that will occur under the present proposals of the government”.

"...“If there is no deal, there will be no movement [of goods]”, he added, noting that every customs declaration takes 10 to 15 minutes to enter into a computer with 84 fields of information, and entry clerks take over a year to train.

Under current proposals, Mr James said, “we believe it will be impossible to get goods cleared because of a lack of agents”."

The whole bloody thing is barmy.

That's the main trouble. It's largely a game to the gov/HoL. All the time they are playing they are simultaneously NOT negotiating with the EU and at the same time companies are making serious plans to move out.
Business is business and they will still sell to the UK but for a higher price.