Westminstenders: Rebel or Reveal

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The EU Withdrawal Bill made it through the Commons. Though May did not manage it unscathed.

In an attempt to divide and conquer the Rebels, May might have damaged trust. We shall find out. The Grieve Amendment faces the Lords. We also will see if the Lords will back down on their amendments or apply some new ones for the Commons to deal with in Parliamentary Ping Pong.

Aaron Banks has been exposed as being pally with the Russian Embassy in a plot twist that absolutely everyone saw coming.

Meanwhile the EU thinks we have already run out of time and is preparing options to extend talks beyond the a50 deadline. These include having MEPs for the 2019 - 2024 session.

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

Theresa May has also announced - at a moment when she is looking particularly weak - a new tax for the NHS, cunningly disguised in spin as 'the Brexit dividend'. Of course shareholders don't always get dividends and at times of poor economic performance instead might be asked to stump up extra capital...Expect to see buses with £350 million of the side just in time for the next general election cycle.

And so the Zombie PM limbers on towards the end of the summer session and the relative safety of the summer holidays. More drama, cringing and disbelief guaranteed before we get there.

mrsreynolds, DH thinks I'm being over anxious. But I'm now going to seriously start stock piling behind his back. We have the house on the market - I don't think I can persuade him to take if off. We don't have an offer yet, and even if we do, I can make different decisions.

I don't know what else I can do. And yes there really are limits to what I can do.

I don't doubt that todays antics will start to really worry people in decision making positions and weaken economic confidence even further. It will start to show up in the autumn in a big way. We know its already happening, but I now predict an accellation of that.

And I can start to prepare myself mentally for the shit hitting the fan.

Buteo I switched off about half an hour ago.

My dh too :(

You have to wonder how monumentally bad successive British governments have been since the Victorian era when Britain ruled nearly half the planet (I am not suggesting nicely) to the state where only England is happy with the direction it has taken it.

Some good speeche RTB, Antoinette Sandbach was good, and Soubry too.

Result expected at 4.00pm.

I fear, MrsR that your fundraising capabilities may come to the fore.
Of course apart from some chaos (delays) no one will stop food and goods going to Britain, it will just get expensive.

But I'm now going to seriously start stock piling behind his back.

Best thing to have stockpiled is skills and knowledge. Anything tangible would just make you a target for the less prepared, but more violent.

Might be time to get used to exotic meats. And decide whether you like the idea of being a hungry vegan.

The only people I'd advise to stock up, would be people who have serious dietary issues, or essential medicines. Although that latter may prove problematic, as this PPs on this thread have suggested.

My late DM, bless her, must have known this day would come. Our lounge was littered with 1970s self-sufficiency books (well it was the 1970s ). And I was told off for bringing one of her books into school aged 11 ...

@bbclaurak

After all that... still quite tight - 303 vote for Grieve amendment, 319 vote against

I confess I have bought couple of books I expect to be 'banned' or 'revised' in the near future for DS.

You know, like about totalitarian and the holocaust...

Oh and how to survive in a war zone.

I have given thought as to how, my house is defendable. And where I might go, if forced to leave.

We should all be preparing for the worst and hoping for the best - government too

The rebels will be named either on twitter shortly or on Hansard tomorrow when its updated.

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@labourwhips
Tories in favour of a meaningful vote were: Allen, Clarke, Lee, Sandbach, Soubry, Woolaston

Why was I not surprised that the rebels backed down?
I cannot see why MPs like Woolaston don't resign from the Tory party and sit as Independents.

Not with a bang, but a whimper

I confess I have bought couple of books I expect to be 'banned' or 'revised' in the near future for DS.

You know, like about totalitarian and the holocaust...

Oh and how to survive in a war zone.

I have given thought as to how, my house is defendable. And where I might go, if forced to leave.

This bedwetting hyperbole is really quite sad. This is Britain - no books will be re-written, no civil war will break out, no packs of bandits will assail your house (or if they do, as in the London riots a few years back, it will be because your precious human rights legislation prevents the authorities using more than kid gloves).

This bedwetting hyperbole is really quite sad

Stopped clocks.

Precious human rights legislation?
You're a wind up I think ?

Oh god why reply? This thread has been repeatedly derailed.

Let’s talk about what we do now.

I am nauseous - I don’t know what to do. I’m very tempted to sell up and get out, but my husband loves his job and it all seems so crazy that it’s hard to make the “get out while we still can” move look anything other than nuts.

Is it nuts (grasping at straws)?

This bedwetting hyperbole is really quite sad. This is Britain

Isnt that what people said in Germany too?
Or what people in the US are saying now?

My heart is sinking today. I had vaguely made some plans IF we have a hard Brexit in March but still thinking it won’t happen.
I’m feeling pulled in all sorts of directions. But protecting myself and my children needs to come first. I’m not quite sure just how.

So more fudge it is! One day there will come an issue when they can't dissemble any longer and they will have to face up to the music (mixed fudge/music metaphor, for which I apologise .

Little by little, we seem to be stumbling towards the outcome that everyone in parliament (apart from the loony Brexiteers) always earnestly says they can't imagine happening, a disorderly, humiliating, no deal departure. So that's the country down the tubes due to an outcome no-one believes can happen, but is an inevitable result of the course of (in-)action we're persisting with.

Is it now officially time to start despairing or are there potential remedies somewhere down the ever-shortening line?

I'm going to start stockpiles now as well. Wollaston started as a Leaver (before ref) but switched to Remain after research.

As well as recipes and gardening,(and tasty men MrsR ) could people post up survival/ escape ideas? James Patrick is writing stuff about making it through in this country, but it'd be great to hear practical tips from those posters already off the island stuff about accommodation/ good areas/ healthcare/ kids/ jobs etc.
This just popped up on Sweden.
sweden.se/collection/working-in-sweden/article/10-steps-for-planning-your-move-to-sweden/