Westminstenders: Rebel or Reveal

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The EU Withdrawal Bill made it through the Commons. Though May did not manage it unscathed.

In an attempt to divide and conquer the Rebels, May might have damaged trust. We shall find out. The Grieve Amendment faces the Lords. We also will see if the Lords will back down on their amendments or apply some new ones for the Commons to deal with in Parliamentary Ping Pong.

Aaron Banks has been exposed as being pally with the Russian Embassy in a plot twist that absolutely everyone saw coming.

Meanwhile the EU thinks we have already run out of time and is preparing options to extend talks beyond the a50 deadline. These include having MEPs for the 2019 - 2024 session.

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

Theresa May has also announced - at a moment when she is looking particularly weak - a new tax for the NHS, cunningly disguised in spin as 'the Brexit dividend'. Of course shareholders don't always get dividends and at times of poor economic performance instead might be asked to stump up extra capital...Expect to see buses with £350 million of the side just in time for the next general election cycle.

And so the Zombie PM limbers on towards the end of the summer session and the relative safety of the summer holidays. More drama, cringing and disbelief guaranteed before we get there.

Well said RTB.
The expression 'whinging poms' by the Australians is a succinct way of putting things. In Aus if something goes wrong, certainly in the past, you were on your own and truly 'in the shit' and the small but significant change in mindset to accept that YOU had screwed up is refreshing. This is not suggesting that Aussies are unpleasant in any way but they understand the concept of personal responsibility.
Students coming to the UK may be one of the 'saviours' in terms of inward finances but the way some establishments are run new students may think twice and the 'excellent reputation' of UK universities is being gradually eroded.

BROWN people too topcat
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Oh but we were always for greater levels of international immigration, apparently Mrsreynolds.

Well said Red!

Our entire mentally as a country is to abdicate responsibility and take the attitude that it will all just work itself out.

YY. I have say as an EU immigrant (god I absolutely HATE that terminology) this is something i do not understand. The downright apathy. And the lack of reaction to things that should make us all react.

As long as they are ok, then that’s fine
Yep very much present too

Going by the Office for Budget Responsibility
(whose job is to "examine and report on the sustainability of the public finances”) UNICORNS ride again

• Hammond has only £250 million per week available for more subsidies

• that is the net EU contributions after receiving some back

So the NHS boost means £100 million more per week on borrowing and / or tax increases

• Also means no subsidies for anything else, e.g

no subsidies to farmers to replace the EU ones that currently keep them from going broke
Or borrow / tax even more

• In fact, Brexit brings a net loss of nearly £300 million per week, not a gain So even without her NHS promise, Brexit means

more spending cuts / borrowing / taxation

Funny how Brexit means Uk politicians copying the tactics of Greek & Italian ones
That goes so well.
Next week, copy the Venezualans

If students from abroad are looking to the 'posh' places of learning (Oxford, Cambridge etc) and equate it to some of the current crop of politicians then that might dissuade a few.

Eh, that Carl knows nowt!
He missed out the massive pile of cash under Theresa's sofa.

So even without her NHS promise, Brexit means more spending cuts / borrowing / taxation

DH has an unusual day off. He just said very grumpily there's a 'dividend' alright- it means a dividend for the government coming from the inevitable increased taxes to pay for Brexit!

You can bet your bottom dollar that it won't be the ultra-rich who are taxed more heavily.

It will be the JAMs supposedly beloved of May and probably even more likely the poorest who will pay more in either/both increased taxation and reduced benefits After all, they are the ones that have borne the brunt of austerity to date Why would the leopard change its spots?

There's a petition to get chope stripped of his knighthood btw...

I've signed

He doesn't give a shit about women but I bet he would cry if he lost his knightgood the gout ridden twatbadger

Now now MrsR don't mince your words!
Speaking of he, with the shit going down with Brexit it is incredible that he would deliberately waste parliamentary time by shouting 'Object' to deliberately scupper a bill (upskirting) which in terms of importance needs very little discussion, IE pass almost automatically, perhaps a brief discussion on degree of 'punishment'. The law had already been discussed and enacted in Scotland so a 'photocopy' is probably all that is needed and then signed.

Just copying the law already available in Scotland? You’re joking right??
Do you really think the English will lower themselves to just copy what the Scots do?

"Do you really think the English will lower themselves to just copy what the Scots do?"

Get rid of the Queen first then?

She was from the Scots line.

At what point did raising taxes to pay for the NHS get dropped from the Labour and LibDem manifestos ?

Silly me, you can't 'photocopy' velum it has to be cloned.

I don't suppose HM the Q is that pleased at the moment.

Ouch:

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/compare-theresa-may-comment-to-hitler-associate/

Theresa May said "parliament should not overturn the will of the people", and James O'Brien pointed out the startling similarity to a speech made by Adolf Hitler's associate Joseph Goebbels.

The PM warned "parliament can not tie the hands of government in negotiations" and that parliament "can not and should not overturn the will of the people".

But James read a paragraph from a speech made in December 1933 by Hitler's propaganda minister.

He said: "The nation and the government in Germany are one thing.

"The will of the people is the will of the government and vice versa. The modern structure of the German State is a higher form of democracy in which, by virtue of the people’s mandate, the government is exercised authoritatively while there is no possibility for parliamentary interference, to obliterate and render ineffective the execution of the nation’s will."

At the end of the paragraph, he paused.

"I'm not going to comment on it," he said.

"I'm conscious of what Goodwin's law is, and I know how lazy and silly it is.

"It's why I've only ever done it once before with that speech of Amber Rudd's which could have been lifted straight from the pages of Mein Kampf.

"But that's Joseph Goebbels describing the will of the people and why Parliament should not be able to tie the hands of the government."

At what point did raising taxes to pay for the NHS get dropped from the Labour and LibDem manifestos ?
AFAIK it is still in the Lib Dem manifesto. I assume the same for Labour.

We've had the up-kilting law in place since 2010 - England is late following suit! (or should that be "skirt"? )

We NEED to pay more taxes and we NEED immigration.

Nope and nope - or if we do, then in tightly controlled and limited doses.

Unless, indeed, your solution is one which is rather final...

Couldn't resist the final reductio ad Hitlerum, eh? Pro-tip: if you equate reasonable policies like border control, which millions of people support, with Nazism, then you'll find yourself believing that you share a country with millions of Nazis. Which would be absurd.

Yeah....no Nazis here....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-44518125

We've had the up-kilting law in place since 2010

Well explains why Scotland acted so quickly on this, up-kilting would have affected MEN.

We have to pay for insurance/security to protect my MIL and FIL's headstones in Jewish cemetry in n London, MrsR Pretty standard really.
Many congratulations on the bid!
Wrt to Red's great post earlier on philanthropy private and public, I know for a fact that there are some in real life very kind folks on this thread.