Westmistenders: 'No Deal please; We're British'

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It has to be said that its almost as if Tory Rebels are too polite to challenge the PM.

But the stakes are getting higher and higher as it becomes more and more apparent that it is a clear choice between a chaotic no deal situation or a BINO and there is no alternative to that.

If the Tory Rebels don't show their grit and are not prepared to be as strong in their determination as the Brexiteers - out of almost politeness and obligation - then No Deal awaits.

As things move forward, the threat to May once again re-emerges too. If May doesn't do what the ERG say they are minded and will try to oust her. They have nothing to lose by it.

The Tory knives are hidden behind backs one again. Waiting.

Which way will the Withdrawal Bill go? Which way will the Trade Bill later this month go?

We are running out of time and options: for either a deal or no deal.

Time has already run out for many ordinary people - they just might not know that yet, but the decision has already be made about their future.

I enjoyed the cross man in the leather jacket who seemed to think the first referendum on Europe took place during the peak of the industrial revolution. Well, it was either that, or he didn’t remember it as clearly as he claimed...

Gee. Izzy not asked about concealing (by not releasing in the interests of the country) emails intimating deals, possible collusion, with the Russians around the UK referendum.

Allegedly and all that.

Probably for the best, restricted her air time. She clearly turned up with a list of sound bites and no intention of engaging with the debate. Her remarks about the SNP went down like a lead balloon with the Welsh audience. She’s clueless.

I'm not allowed to watch QT anymore.

A couple of years ago I broke a remote control by throwing it at the tv.

I think it was farage that sent me over the edge....

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MrsR
Watch a soothing yoga video instead

To realise the scale of the stupid …

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/listeners-labelled-call-from-a-ukipper-greatest/

This is the remarkable call from a four-time Ukip candidate to James O'Brien that left LBC listeners speechless.

James was asking why it could possibly be a bad thing for MPs to have a say if we can only get a rotten deal from the EU.

Then Philip called up and LBC listeners all stopped what they were doing in disbelief.

James asked him: "They say 'We must have the right to apply the brake if it becomes absolutely obvious that we're driving into a burning building.'

"And you say 'No, even if we're driving into a burning building, we must absolutely not have a brake'?"

Philip responded: "Yes, I agree.

James then asked: "You did hear the words that came out of my mouth, right?"

To those Leavers who think that firms relocating, or going bankrupt are just a co-incidence, or just normal peaks and troughs of the business cycle, could I point out to them that if Brexit was a good thing, it would cause the trend to be bucked and cause an upturn. Nor would Rees-Smug and Deadwood be putting their money elsewhere.

Did anyone hear Dominic Grieve laying into Paul Dacre on the R4 10pm news last night? Good man. He was very polite about the Solicitor General. Then on the Today programme after 7am this morning DD's pal John Humphreys was trying to get Stephen Hammond to rubbish TM - which he refused to do, said he trusted her but she’d been got at. Laura Kuenssberg points at JRM and DD, unsurprisingly.

Tories pushed into third place in the Lewisham by-election. I doubt whether that will make headlines.

just a co-incidence

Seems like the best-case scenario is that Brexit will be a gigantic inconsequential waste of effort, which has literally no effect on anything.

As for the worst-case scenario, even Leavers have settled on variations of "Better than the Black Death" or "The sky won't fall in".

Well, how could anyone not be delighted with that spectrum of possibilities?

Lewisham:

Labour received 11,033 votes, the Lib Dem candidate Lucy Salek 5,404 (24.6%), and the Conservative candidate Ross Archer 3,161 (14.4%).

Considerable fury at exclusion from Galileo in WM and on Today prog, accompanied by huffing and puffing from JH (oh why did I turn it on?).
"Not fair"...what the bloody hell did they expect, what with being a third country and all...not to mention cosying up to the USA, currently led by the biggest imaginable security risk to the free world...

I know it's a by-election and all that but this is the GE result from just twelve months ago:

Labour 23,907votes 55.7%
Conservative 9,574votes 22.3%
UKIP 3,886votes 9.1%
Liberal Democrat 2,455votes 5.7%
Green 2,429votes 5.7%
People Before Profit 390votes 0.9%
Christian Peoples 282votes 0.7%

What the hell happened to the Conservative and UKIP voters???!

And the LDs on that much lower turn out increased their vote share by nearly twenty percent. But more than that despite the lower turn out, they got DOUBLE the actual number of votes they got at the GE!!!!

if Brexit was a good thing, it would cause the trend to be bucked and cause an upturn.

This - this is so true. We'd be seeing positive signs already.

We'd be soaring up from our former fifth strongest economy ranking into 4th place...instead of slithering downwards.

Despite the rudeness of the QT chairman, oakshott and mann towards Dominic Grieve yesterday, my sense from the audience was that we have passed #peakbrexit. May partly explain lewisham.
Most of those who defend it are those paid to, and they are leaving the island already.

^Considerable fury at exclusion from Galileo in WM and on Today prog, accompanied by huffing and puffing from JH (oh why did I turn it on?).
"Not fair"...what the bloody hell did they expect, what with being a third country and all...not to mention cosying up to the USA, currently led by the biggest imaginable security risk to the free world...^

All 27 other members voted to apply the rules (which the UK helped draft) that 3rd countries cannot be fully involved due to the military aspects.

There isn't really an option to "join" the US (they would have the same objections). And even if there was, the one thing Trump has been (quietly) consistent on is the notion that the US has been subsidising the rest of the worlds military. I would expect any price tag for UK "involvement" to be considerable.

There's some lovely outrage on the "Register" comments about this story (passim).

There's only so many stories like this (because they are coming) that the media can hide for so long.

But, again, I repeat:

All 27

Even the most moronic Brexiteer (quite a challenge) will be started to see the problem of dealing with an entity as united as to present All 27 other members to a common decision. Especially given the Brexiteer expertise in knowing all about how the EU works.

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Woooah!
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SCOOP: European Institutions believe there may be UK MEPs in the 2019-2024 parliamentary term

I bet UKIP/Farage keep this very quiet.

Well it's funny given that they were worried they would not get office space in Brussels after march or might have to pay for their own. Inconceivable they don't know about this

"Why do we want to be part of Galileo?", she asks in mock innocence. "We wanted to Leave the EU, so why do we want to be part of EU organisations?"

As for Trump and NATO - I always thought that was primarily a way for the US to get other countries to share some of the costs of promoting the Cold War.

As for Trump and NATO - I always thought that was primarily a way for the US to get other countries to share some of the costs of promoting the Cold War.

Doesn't really matter, if that's what he's sold that the the American people in return for getting elected . It's a domestically popular narrative. It's also something he's been pretty consistent about. Similar to his stance pre-election that the states should be more autonomous, which he seems to be sticking to, and which stands to have massive implications for some industries who are pretty pissed off about it.

All 27 other members voted to apply the rules (which the UK helped draft) that 3rd countries cannot be fully involved due to the military aspects.

Hoist by our own petard, comes to mind. I can't help but think we have whined and whined, and mostly got, special deals and we thought that we could carry on, but the game is now truly up. We either decide we want out and genuinely go it alone, or we ask for A50 to be at least paused (and sit it out until Johnson, Deadwood, Grease-Smug etc. clear out of politics.)

DG that’s a very interesting point about the timing.

I’m wondering if7that also means any agreement with the EU done on the bassis of taking powers from Scotland will be seen as illegal by the EU too??
In effect, can we have a remake of what has happened with Canada and some regions in Belgium?