Westmistenders: 'No Deal please; We're British'

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It has to be said that its almost as if Tory Rebels are too polite to challenge the PM.

But the stakes are getting higher and higher as it becomes more and more apparent that it is a clear choice between a chaotic no deal situation or a BINO and there is no alternative to that.

If the Tory Rebels don't show their grit and are not prepared to be as strong in their determination as the Brexiteers - out of almost politeness and obligation - then No Deal awaits.

As things move forward, the threat to May once again re-emerges too. If May doesn't do what the ERG say they are minded and will try to oust her. They have nothing to lose by it.

The Tory knives are hidden behind backs one again. Waiting.

Which way will the Withdrawal Bill go? Which way will the Trade Bill later this month go?

We are running out of time and options: for either a deal or no deal.

Time has already run out for many ordinary people - they just might not know that yet, but the decision has already be made about their future.

As for not everything is Brexit fault.

Well no, you’re right, not everything is Brexit fault.
The unlawful treatment of immigrants started much before that.
The economy has struggled since 2008
Some sectors have been very ill
And the whole of the economy has been propped up by the financial sector.
So no. Brexit hasn’t created all that.
It has been the nail in the coffin though.

Buteo So nothing to do the price of a barrel of Oul doubling in weeks then, that’s more to do with the petrol price going up

Hmm I thought that going from $100 to $60was still going down rather than being multiplied by two.....

Tambien So it seems that The HR charter is not working very well and we are still in the EU

People not having a pay rise for many years. High house prices.

And why is this attributable to EU membership rather than our own successive governments?

Yep, lots of challenges from ever-increasing digitisation and globalisation. What a time to signal to the world that we're going to rip up existing regional and international trade agreements, barricade ourselves in a nostalgic past in which we dictated trade terms to colonies, and start again at Year Zero, only without thinking through how we're going to keep the population fed.

You'd almost think that might knock investor confidence in British companies on top of everything else. I mean, investors do also read papers and analyse business and the economy before making hardnosed investment decisions.

Tambien So going from $30 to $60 is not doubling then

lonelyplanetmum Didn’t say it had anything to do with the all powerful EU, why people haven’t got as much money to spend in the shops and are more selective where they spend there money

So nothing to do the price of a barrel of Oul doubling in weeks then, that’s more to do with the petrol price going up

That’s not what I said. A 10% drop in the value of the £ against the $ gives you a 10% increase in the cost of oil regardless of the oil price.

Don't even ask, lonely. It's all about complaining about the past and blaming everyone but our own governments, there's never any constructive plan for the future or specific workable plans for what we can do outside the EU. And that goes right to the top of the entire Brexit movement.

Personally, I'm wondering how hard the US will shaft us before it will occur to some folks that sharing a language doesn't make you friends - special or otherwise - with someone.

"It's comforting to know that Jacob Rees-Mogg will ensure his wealthy clients are shielded from the repercussions of the 'hard' Brexit so strongly advocated by him."

In it for the people right? The rich ones, because the others don't count.

Exactly.

Prudent (now there's a word from the past) companies will know that the marketplace is bumpy at times and can usually weather a dip of 6 months or a year and can discuss with their bank, measures to keep them going.
Without confidence and the likelihood of banks now taking a longer view and summarising that they are 'stuffed' and not worth 'saving' many companies will fold or sell out to other countries who would treat it as an 'asset' which unless it does recover will simply be dumped. Banks make money and have no scruples, that is their purpose. Why do you think bank counters employ cheerful looking ladies? It makes the company look good. Behind the counter it is dog eat dog for PROFIT.

And the oil price hasn’t doubled in weeks - it’s been a long slow uphill crawl from the Jan 2016 low of $29 - nearly 2 years to reach $60.

But, but J RM wants Brexit for the 'poor' people. Cheaper clothing and adulterated slop food. He is all for the poor people. Anti elitist and anti establishment Brexit groupie.

topcat1980

Brexit is tedious.Funny how on all levels the winners seem tired of their victory.

"Arron Banks has claimed he is ready to step back from politics following a bizarre select committee hearing where he taunted MPs, dismissed claims his Leave.EU campaign was funded by the Russians, and happily admitted lying to journalists in order to stoke up pro-Brexit stories.

“That could be our last day in politics,” the businessman, former Ukip donor, and founder of Leave.EU told the Guardian. “That could be the zenith.”

“From our point of view, the referendum stuff is slowly grinding towards a conclusion in the most painful horrible way,” he said. “We’re a bit exhausted.”

Banks said he currently has no intention to make good on his repeated threats to launch a new political party to replace Ukip but said he maintained close links with Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party. On Tuesday he stunned MPs by walking out of the fake news select committee hearing because he was late for lunch with Ian Paisley Jr."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/13/arron-banks-may-leave-politics-says-brexit-is-tedious

Sorry if posted before- I only just saw it.

Please note my reference to cheerful looking ladies is not sexist as such but acknowledges that you are less likely to see elderly grumpy git old men behind the counter because that 'look' doesn't sell. The fact that ladies are probably prepared to work for a lower salary (through gritted teeth) is a whole different issue.

User ,

Why are you posting to me about petrol prices when I was discussing the £?

Yeah, very fine people pushed for Leave. Funny how they all scream "fake news!" whenever anyone gets too close to the truth of them, isn't it? Maybe they've all got one of those "narratives" that user keeps banging on about.

Meanwhile, apparently Macron's work to lure foreign investors to France is paying off:

www.ft.com/content/0f714e0c-6d73-11e8-852d-d8b934ff5ffa

The flip side of that story, of course, that is that Brexit is making Britain look less appealing so someone somewhere gets to pick up what we've dropped.

user hope you read your BBC article because it also said:

Motoring fuel prices are affected by the price of crude oil. As crude oil is priced in dollars, the exchange rate also plays a part.

In May, there were record rises in the price of petrol, largely as a result of the oil price peaking at $80 and a weakening of sterling against the dollar.

The lack of confidence for companies and people is due to the real lack of direction over Brexit, Parliament is in disarray, everybody moaning and objecting, sometimes doing nothing is worse than doing something, , Let’s get on with it all pulling in one direction, then business and people can plan what ever the outcome

@RobDotHutton
"I've done a quick tally," says Keir Starmer of David Davis. "This year he's threatened to resign more times than he's met Michel Barnier."

The price of fuel has gone up in the EU too, roughly 18 pence / litre or so in the last month.
Food prices have been creeping up too.

Just to rebut the accusation that remainers only post bad news ...

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/14/tech_firms_come_to_blighty_everything_is_awesome/

The UK government has given itself a reassuring cuddle this week, asserting that – even if high-profile projects such as Galileo march overseas – international tech firms still love Blighty.

UK Prime Minister Theresa May held a roundtable event yesterday to showcase Britain as the best place in the world to run a tech company, despite or because of (depending where you stand) its imminent departure from the European Union.

(contd).