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Brexit

Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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54321go · 10/06/2018 15:31

Thanks.
Maybe we should call it 'reformation' or something. A bit like reforming a steak into a burger perhaps?

DGRossetti · 10/06/2018 15:39

Or a crusade ?

Or a clearance ?

Or a solution ?

lonelyplanetmum · 10/06/2018 15:43

We'll only have BINO if internal Tory party views change sufficiently for May to decide BINO (Brexit in name only) is best for her party.Even then, she may leave it too late or cock it up.

BigChoc nails it concisely as ever.

I too have lost hope of BINO. What I don't get is this; it is so obvious that the schism in the Tories dominates everything. From the fated decision to hold the referendum, the attempts to circumvent parliamentary process the failures to agree a vision.It is all down to the fact the Tories are ( at least) two parties uncomfortably and inharmoniously rammed together.

But given this is so obvious why is their poll lead bloody increasing? Why can't everyone see the disharmony and disfunction and it's core?

Tanith · 10/06/2018 15:48

Bigchocfrenzy I’d add the demonisation of Tony Blair to your list.

That started before Labour were elected. Who remembers the Tory’s Demon Eyes campaign?
It ensured that he was regarded as toxic and irrelevant to keep him out of the debate.

lonelyplanetmum · 10/06/2018 15:49

Brexit In Name Only
Maybe we should have an acrostic competition?

Bloody irritating negligent oxymora?

EmilyAlice · 10/06/2018 15:57

Boris Inflicted National Oblivion

54321go · 10/06/2018 16:01

British Interests Not Organised

EmilyAlice · 10/06/2018 16:03

Brexit Inspires (k)Nobhead Opportunists

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 10/06/2018 16:23

Britain Is Not Open

Harsh, granted, but not all untrue.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2018 19:39

The US constitution is a manual for building a nation.

For the UK to become a US state the process is prescribed.

Under Trump, we'd be more likely to become a US dependency. Like Puerto Rico. That's working out well for them currently post the hurricane last year...

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2018 19:51

Btw why HAS Isabel Oakeshott (who ghost wrote Banks biography), sold out on him re Russia? And more to the point, why now? Cos this isn't news to Isabel.

Also why is she also saying that Garage knew nothing of it?

You don't do that, without a reason.

Is it that Banks is legally up creek and it's all about to come out? (Totally possible either with regards to Leave.Eu or with regards to Trump Russia or another investigation by someone like the SFO).

Is Isabel a rat leaving a sinking ship to protect her own reputation and put distance from herself and Banks? Seems quite likely.

Is she getting cold feet about Brexit in someway? Or does she just now see that being a Brexiteers in the coming couple of years, isn't going to be a great career move and she's trying to simply rebrand herself?

All seem likely / probable to some degree.

The odd thing here is - why continue to effectively protect Farage? Why is he still untouchable and politically advantageous for Oakeshott to remain associated with whilst Banks isn't?

I must admit to being intrigued and reading between the lines, wonder what is about to happen and what else is going to come out in the next few weeks and months, cos this stinks to high heaven of lots of political dog shit, that lots of people have stepped in and are now seeking to wipe off their shoes.

Something BIG is brewing.

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mrsreynolds · 10/06/2018 19:52

I don't think anything would surprise me anymore

sundaysurfer · 10/06/2018 20:37

Redtoothbrush Why did Oakeshott run the story now? It seems from Twitter that Carole Cadwalladra mailed Banks on Friday with a list of meetings and dealings with Russia that she was about to expose.

Banks replied (by email - also in Twitter) that he needed until Monday to 'check his emails' and then the Oakshott story came out on Sunday. So, either Oakshott also knew that the Guardian were about to publish and unilaterally decided to get in their first, or maybe there were some very frantic discussions on Saturday and 'everyone' decided it was better that the story came out the way Oakshott wrote it.

Either way Oakshott's career deserves to be over.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2018 22:17

Sunday Times reports that May was very nearly ousted on Thursday

Apparently the next attempt will succeed.
Huh
Imo, like any zombie, she is very hard to kill, even though bots of her keep falling off

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2018 22:18

< I meant bits of her keep falling off, but bots works too for May ! >

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2018 22:20

Which means there's something very much in it, if that's the case. Cadwalladr had them spooked. Which, is very different from the appearance and bravo they've all had up until now.

So far, Banks seems to have had a stooge or fall guy in place for everything that might be slightly suspect. This time it's undeniably him personally and look what happened...

I'd argue that if they are making that judgment call, where it's a damage limitation exercise. And a damage limitation exercise in this case, is an attempt to stop further digging by closing down the story asap by giving it to The Times.

Oakeshott / The Times must be sensing a change in public mood and is trying to reflect it.

Thing is, preemptive damage limitation exercises have this odd habit of being a precursor to something bigger and uglier that someone doesn't want the public to know about.

I note that Banks is now following Cummings lead and has said he won't appear before the DMCS committee, which WILL lead to MPs forcing the issues by making it a formal criminal offence with penalty not to, in order to protect Parliament's status and authority. Refusing to appear only prolongs the issue rather than avoids it imho.

It does start to make me think they will get Banks, one way or another eventually as his cards have been firmly marked. It's just a matter of time over what and how serious it gets. Every enemy he makes along that route, will make them more likely to want to pin something strong onto him. His scalp is prized because of how personal he's making it and how he's tried to make others look foolish.

Banks is intelligent. But not as intelligent as he thinks, and his arrogance is his real Achilles heel.

Fingers crossed.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2018 22:30

Thursday was the night of the Boris secret tape leak.

Just observing...

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2018 22:35

And the David David hokey cokey.

With a senior Brexiteers making comment that Davis had been stitched up like a kipper.

Who was on maneovers on Thursday? Tim Shipman's reporting and his books do seem to be rather cosy with a particular camp... Always the inside scoop on Team Johnson.

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SwedishEdith · 11/06/2018 00:00

I've got an unpopular opinion. I don't think Madeleina Kay (‘EU Supergirl’) helps the Remain argument. What does she do and who funds her?

BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2018 00:09

Yes, even the published stuff from Thursday was interesting
The previously unpublished, is that yet another attempt to bring May down failed

  • I wonder how many there have been,
or if that was the first serious one, because the Ultras fear she'll end up bringing in BINO
BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2018 00:21

Also, I wonder what such an attempt actually involves Hmm since no significant Tory has publicly called for her resignation

Trying to persuade the 1922 chair to call for a vote of No Confidence in her (I gather the chair may have discretion, even with 48 letters)
Whispering in the HoC bars, trying to get support for NC, to pressure the chair
Approaching her "associates" saying she has go
Or approaching her directly to resign

She may stay until one of her Cabinet goes public and says she is looking tired
Gove has proved himself a lethal executioner, but he now knows his gun fires from both ends

lonelyplanetmum · 11/06/2018 01:25

SwedishEdith
Regarding your unpopular opinion..( whispers) I agree with you.

It is absolutely fantastic that anyone is out there, energetically doing stuff and not letting the pro membership message fade.

However I do agree here's a risk with any costumes and stuff ( like that faux Boris Johnson who sings ) that it detracts from the seriousness.

But I guess it all boils down to any publicity being good at maintaining some momentum.

On a separate note -what has Shanker Singham being doing to advise TM since leaving Legatum and becoming the Director of the International Trade and Competition at the Institute of Economic Affairs? I always think that's all a bit too clandestine and worth knowing about.

OlennasWimple · 11/06/2018 02:17

I was born in the 1970s but grew up in the 1980s. It sucked. The country was beige and brown - the food, the buildings, the TV... Our high street was a joke - mostly empty shops and a large Woolworths

There was a real vibrancy from the mid 1990s onwards - the town centre was renovated, we got new shops (a McDonalds! A shopping mall with - gasp - an escalator!), people were in work.

And now the cycle has come round again and the high street is (I believe, I dont' live there any more) back to empty shops, Poundland and charity shops Sad

AjasLipstick · 11/06/2018 02:38

Olenna yes. Me too....I grew up in the North on a council estate with two parents in work....during the 70s and 80s. I was mid teens by 1984.

My memories are of us not having much at all despite both parents in full time work....of a happy but basic childhood. And of my friends in less fortunate positions with holes in their shoes and kids crying with hunger in the infants.

Then yes...the 90s came and things improved. I'm sad about it but that's why I've emigrated. We're not rich now we live in Australia but we're much, much better off.

HesterThrale · 11/06/2018 07:13

Amongst other unexpected consequences of the referendum: more than half of Northern Ireland people now support NI joining the RoI. 27% already thought that, and another 28% have now joined them in the last 2 years.

Also, Only 47% of people in Northern Ireland identified themselves as strongly British, compared to 57% who feel European.

I'm not at all surprised but can't help sighing and feeling rather sad about all this.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-44398502

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