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Westministenders: Stalling for Time

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RedToothBrush · 12/05/2018 14:32

After 14 defeats, the Withdrawal Bill exited the Lords. In much worse condition than anyone dared to predicted.

Now we have those who were viciously against Lords reform, all of a sudden shouting about how much we desperately need it. Well fancy that. Tradition isn't so attractive if you aren't getting your own way.

Daniel Hannan has suddenly admitted that Brexit is not 'going to plan' (there was one?) and Johnson is still his weekly resignation threat.

It now throws things back into Corbyn's court. The Tory Rebel Forces think that they have the numbers to stay in the Single Market, but are blocked by Corbyn's opposition to it.

The decision on the customs union has effectively been pushed back to the Autumn by May, but we have to make a decision about the Irish border by June or trade talks won't go ahead as planned.

The trouble is that the Cabinet can not decide on which option they want to take, but neither is particularly viable anyway. Max Fac means a border in the Irish Sea which the DUP won't like and the Customs Partnership isn't acceptable to the Empire Tories. In any case it seems unlikely that either option could get through the Commons in their current form due to the growing number of Tory Rebel Forces.

May also has a problem with the grass roots. It is more or less impossible for her to deliver the Brexit they desire whatever she tries.

The growing backlash about the hostile environment also undermines the point of Brexit in reducing immigration. Its is growing apparent, WHY we need immigration and that the people who are being targeted for deportation are simply the easiest to pick off and not the ones that people see as 'a problem'. Indeed you have to wonder about how many immigrants ARE a problem. The idea to control immigration after Brexit was not through the border but through the hostile environment, yet this seems now to be something that will be impossible to continue with politically.

Leave.EU have now been referred to the police for breaking Electoral Law. It also turns out that they found numerous ways to beat the spending limit legally. The female data controller has also been found to have data protection law. Meanwhile Banks and Wigmore as well as Nix (CA and SCL), Cummings (Vote Leave) and Silvester (AIQ) have all been summoned to appear because the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee. Zuckerberg also does not appear to have completed his answers to the committee as Facebook have had their homework deadline extended to Monday (and has been asked to appear by the 24th May whilst he is in Europe).

Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee Dates
Electoral Commission - Tuesday 15th May
Silvester - Wednesday 16th May
Cummings / Nix - Summoned to appear Tuesday 22nd May
Banks / Wigmore - Tuesday 16th June

Also in parliament in next weeks is and interesting looking ten minute rule bill named 'Representation of the People (Gibraltar)' - Tuesday 15th May

Anyway, we are all set for the predictable 'who blinks first' brinkmanship with the UK aware that if the EU don't blink we go over the cliff and parliament aware that if May delays long enough she bypasses parliamentary democracy or put it in a position with a gun to its head.

Who is looking forward to this year's 'row of the summer'?
It could be a long, hot summer.

Anyway, I want France to win Eurovision and the UK to get some points and not come last. Its not going to happen is it?

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ElenaGreco123 · 31/05/2018 15:59

Anger as Brexiter Nigel Lawson applies for French residency

Former Vote Leave chair ridiculed for leading anti-EU campaign while continuing to live in France

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/31/brexiter-nigel-lawson-applies-french-residency-vote-leave

DGRossetti · 31/05/2018 16:04

Where the Daily Mail "TRAITOR !" headline ?

DGRossetti · 31/05/2018 18:39

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-44323280

A former mayor of Ipswich has won her appeal against a decision by the Home Office to refuse her British citizenship.

Inga Lockington moved to the UK in 1979 from Denmark when she married her husband Tim.

She said she wanted to retain her Danish passport but to have dual citizenship ahead of the UK leaving the European Union.

(contd)

Sorry, but the Home Office is out of control. Does anyone recall the incident where a family were "accidentally" gassed in "The Man In The High Castle".

I wonder where Phillip K Dick got his crazy ideas.

Hasenstein · 31/05/2018 21:26

A former mayor of Ipswich has won her appeal against a decision by the Home Office to refuse her British citizenship.

We sent in our application for nationalisation on 3 May and have just received an email acknowledging receipt. We now just have to wait (for up to 6 months) to see if my DW is accepted.

Annoyingly, they also took the £1330 fee from our account today; as it's the end of the month we didn't have enough in our account to cover it, so we're overdrawn!

At some point, they'll contact us to getDW's biometrics done at the local Post Office. Unfortunately, they only allow 14 days from the date of the notice to get the biometrics done and submitted to the Home Office. In other words, no chance of a nice long holiday in case the notice comes while we're away. They want 6 months to deal with their responsibility, we get a fortnight to deal with ours. And according to the lady at the Nationality Checking Department, if the application fails for any reason (such as not getting the biometrics to them on time), we can kiss the £1330 goodbye and will have to try again.

If (when, please God) we finally get the nod, we have the delightful ceremony (£80, but you do get tea and cake afterwards). Can't wait to finally get a maroon passport (for 10 years!) in our hands.

RedToothBrush · 01/06/2018 00:01

Faisal Islam @ faisalislam
Liam Fox says it is very disappointing that US has imposed tariffs on steel, and “in case of U.K. where we send steel to the US for businesses and defence industry it is patently absurd”

Fox says look for key U.K. exports exempted under “product exemption” route - will talk to Wilbur Ross Monday... “we absolutely do not rule out counter measures and taking a dispute to the WTO but it would be a great pity to end up in a tit for tat dispute with closest allies

Fox says you can’t see this through prism of Brexit - “we think the mechanism that the US has chosen the 232 mechanism dependent on national security is utterly inappropriate - a pretext for protectionism”

Fox: I hope we can convince the US that this is not the right mechanism to deal with the problem - which is overproduction, largely from China...

Gosh someone pissed all over Dr Fox's vision for free trade and closer trade links with the US.

It's actually funny it's so tragedic, just how far wrong he is (and you'll cry otherwise).

Here are a couple of the killer replies

Alihughs @ alisliafro
Given that Fox wants us to leave the EU trading bloc, does he think we should instead align ourselves with with China who he says caused these trade problems via overproduction, or with the US who’s actions towards UK trade he describes as “patently absurd”?

Robert reed @ robertreed10
UK exports more steel to Ireland than it does to USA, and we export more to Germany and France than we do to USA. So why are we not doing everything we can to look after our most important export markets, and maintain the trade we have USA and far east just won't buy UK Steel

This is the man that said a trade deal with the us would be easy.

How will he react if we decide to stay in the customs union and abolish his job?

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RedToothBrush · 01/06/2018 08:03

Chris musson @ camusson
EXCL: DUP leader Arlene Foster to lead Orange march in Scotland on June 30 in “coup” for east of Scotland lodge, but SNP say they’re “struggling to believe that Arlene Foster believes that this is a sensible idea”

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lonelyplanetmum · 01/06/2018 08:33

“ A man of steel” ?

Let’s just have a reminder about Liam Fox (upon whom our trade deals depend). Who will win, him or the US in trade deal that he manages to secure, if any?

Let us not forget, whilst still in office he set up and chaired a private company Atalantic Bridge with his (non security cleared) friend Werritty as excecutive director . This ‘charity’ was set up privately to promote US-UK relations, it was run from Fox’s office and had its charitable status removed.

Werritty had those business cards printed embossed with parliament's portcullis logo and described himself as Fox’s adviser, though he had no security clearance and the source of the funding was obscure.

Whilst Fox was Ministry of Defence Werrity attended 40 of Fox’s 70 official engagements including in Saudi, Qatar,Dubai.Abu Dhabi,Bahrain.

Fox thought all this was ok, and he's the man upon whom our trade depends.Infamous 2017quotes...

“The British government will immediately agree 40 free trade deals with other non-EU countries the minute Britain leaves the European Union in 2019,”

“Post-Brexit free trade deal with the EU should be the easiest in human history. “

Steel is only the tip of the Fox iceberg. He is in charge! Yet still the Tories are ahead in the polls.

lonelyplanetmum · 01/06/2018 08:48

Interestingly I haven't seen any comments on this but in the YouGov polls it asked this odd question ...
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When someone cancels plans are you disappointed or secretly relieved.*

The question seemed like it was about social plans but it was juxtaposed with all the politics stuff.

I am certain this is not a coincidence. The question immediately after it was the standard question ...How well or badly do you think the government are doing at negotiating Britain’s exit from the EU? (Very well,
Fairly well, Fairly badly
Very badly, don't know.)

I am certain the cancelling plans question was not a coincidence.
Unfortunately 53% of people said they’re usually disappointed if plans get cancelled.

mrsreynolds · 01/06/2018 08:56

Please give him his FULL title...

"former disgraced defence secretary and werrity sniffer Liam fox"

Thank you

KennDodd · 01/06/2018 09:49

Unfortunately 53% of people said they’re usually disappointed if plans get cancelled.

Maybe we could read that as 53% of the 52% who voted Leave.

I follow the Leave groups on Facebook, according to (some/most of) them it's all going great and we've got the EU on the run.

DGRossetti · 01/06/2018 09:52

Unfortunately 53% of people said they’re usually disappointed if plans get cancelled.

A number so close to 52% as to be meaningless.

MimpiDreams · 01/06/2018 10:08

Have you seen DD's latest cunning plan? A 10 mile wide border for NI instead of a 6 inch one. Job done. Hmm

DGRossetti · 01/06/2018 10:15

I follow the Leave groups on Facebook, according to (some/most of) them it's all going great and we've got the EU on the run.

Jumping out of a plane also has gravity on the run.

Until ....

Buteo · 01/06/2018 10:57

Re DD’s latest cunning plan - I believe Snarlene’s house would be in the buffer zone?

DarlingNikita · 01/06/2018 11:01

Re DD’s latest cunning plan - I believe Snarlene’s house would be in the buffer zone?

That's priceless Grin

DGRossetti · 01/06/2018 11:06

A 10 mile wide border for NI instead of a 6 inch one.

There is a joke, somewhere in there Hmm

But we're better than that Halo

BigChocFrenzy · 01/06/2018 12:26

Resisting temptation manfully, I see DG Wink

Yes, MrsR Whenever Fox is given a title here, I always insist on the full one:

"former disgraced defence secretary and Werrity -Sniffer Liam fox"

Depressingly, when the Tories do get rid of him, he'll probably get a real HOL title.
Maybe I can make a suggestion for his new title though:

"Lord Sniffer of Werrity"

Motheroffourdragons · 01/06/2018 12:48

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DGRossetti · 01/06/2018 12:48

Not as OT as you'd think, is anyone else enjoying a popcorn-fest watching ICANN grapple with the notion of GDPR ?

First time I visited the US it was immediately apparent (with my nerd hat on) that they were terrified of the (then) EC. I was fascinated to watch a very in-depth programme explaining how the US lost out on a worldwide colour TV standard, a worldwide video recorder standard, and was losing the opportunity to deliver a worldwide HDTV standard. Each time they noted that any EC standard was immediately applicable to over 300 million (as was) people - easily outnumbering the US.

But back then I thought us British would be glad to be a part of it. Now we're just an embarrassment on the world stage.

BigChocFrenzy · 01/06/2018 13:53

Ok, now I understand these stupid UK govt proposals for Brexit & borders:
ministers are looking at maps from the wrong f@cking century

Quick, buy them some new ones !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/three-brexiteers-chase-buccaneering-spirit-of-empire

Cecil Rhodes gazes down on Liam Fox at the Department for International Trade.
A map of 18th-century Europe graces the wall at the headquarters of the Brexit secretary, David Davis.
At the Foreign Office, Boris Johnson toils before the watchful eye of a Winston Churchill bust.

For the government ministers dubbed the “Three Brexiteers”, it seems that inspiration is to be found in Britain’s imperial glories.

lonelyplanetmum · 01/06/2018 14:15

"Lord Sniffer of Werrity"

Grin
BigChocFrenzy · 01/06/2018 14:17

The WTO document DD’s young civil servant gofers probably read for his 10 mile Baldrick plan, see page 795 of
https://www.wto.org/english/rese/publicationsse/ai17e/gatt19944art24_gatt47.pdf

Apparently this zone is just intended to avoid a hard border running through cities and built-up areas

The WTO actually says 15 km, so 10 miles is the patriotic version, natch.

BigChocFrenzy · 01/06/2018 15:26

Yet another thing UK youth will be missing out on, lost educational opportunities:

https://mobile.twitter.com/EUCommission/status/10003281900012298244_

European Commissionon @EU*U_Commission
26 May
We are working towards a #EuropeanEducationAreaa* by 2025.
This week, we presented initiatives on
 European Student Cards
 European Universities
 Master's modules in creativity
 Artists' mobility
 EU film week
Learn more →
(link: http://europa.eu/!jT49rJ)
europa.eu/!jT49rJ #EUandMe

DGRossetti · 01/06/2018 15:32

Yet another thing poor UK youth will be missing out on, lost educational opportunities ...