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Westministenders: Stalling for Time

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RedToothBrush · 12/05/2018 14:32

After 14 defeats, the Withdrawal Bill exited the Lords. In much worse condition than anyone dared to predicted.

Now we have those who were viciously against Lords reform, all of a sudden shouting about how much we desperately need it. Well fancy that. Tradition isn't so attractive if you aren't getting your own way.

Daniel Hannan has suddenly admitted that Brexit is not 'going to plan' (there was one?) and Johnson is still his weekly resignation threat.

It now throws things back into Corbyn's court. The Tory Rebel Forces think that they have the numbers to stay in the Single Market, but are blocked by Corbyn's opposition to it.

The decision on the customs union has effectively been pushed back to the Autumn by May, but we have to make a decision about the Irish border by June or trade talks won't go ahead as planned.

The trouble is that the Cabinet can not decide on which option they want to take, but neither is particularly viable anyway. Max Fac means a border in the Irish Sea which the DUP won't like and the Customs Partnership isn't acceptable to the Empire Tories. In any case it seems unlikely that either option could get through the Commons in their current form due to the growing number of Tory Rebel Forces.

May also has a problem with the grass roots. It is more or less impossible for her to deliver the Brexit they desire whatever she tries.

The growing backlash about the hostile environment also undermines the point of Brexit in reducing immigration. Its is growing apparent, WHY we need immigration and that the people who are being targeted for deportation are simply the easiest to pick off and not the ones that people see as 'a problem'. Indeed you have to wonder about how many immigrants ARE a problem. The idea to control immigration after Brexit was not through the border but through the hostile environment, yet this seems now to be something that will be impossible to continue with politically.

Leave.EU have now been referred to the police for breaking Electoral Law. It also turns out that they found numerous ways to beat the spending limit legally. The female data controller has also been found to have data protection law. Meanwhile Banks and Wigmore as well as Nix (CA and SCL), Cummings (Vote Leave) and Silvester (AIQ) have all been summoned to appear because the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee. Zuckerberg also does not appear to have completed his answers to the committee as Facebook have had their homework deadline extended to Monday (and has been asked to appear by the 24th May whilst he is in Europe).

Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee Dates
Electoral Commission - Tuesday 15th May
Silvester - Wednesday 16th May
Cummings / Nix - Summoned to appear Tuesday 22nd May
Banks / Wigmore - Tuesday 16th June

Also in parliament in next weeks is and interesting looking ten minute rule bill named 'Representation of the People (Gibraltar)' - Tuesday 15th May

Anyway, we are all set for the predictable 'who blinks first' brinkmanship with the UK aware that if the EU don't blink we go over the cliff and parliament aware that if May delays long enough she bypasses parliamentary democracy or put it in a position with a gun to its head.

Who is looking forward to this year's 'row of the summer'?
It could be a long, hot summer.

Anyway, I want France to win Eurovision and the UK to get some points and not come last. Its not going to happen is it?

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2018 11:34

re longer transition:

First, in late June, since there are unicorns parked on the NI border, the EU Council meeting may decide to stop trade talks and also warn there will be NO transition period at all
i.e. Brexit cliff on 30 March 2019

Even if the EU decide their own members would benefit from a transition, it is very complicated to extend it after the currently proposed 31 Dec 2020:

  • There will be a new 7-year budget plan starting, to which the Uk would have to contribute
  • and the UK is bound to be awkward about demanding a say in this and then obstructing budget discussions
  • The EU's rules don't allow a "pay, no say"state for very long and they have already re-allocated the UK's MEPs. They really want rid of Farage too - it was the clearest Brexit dividend for them ! Grin
BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2018 11:36

If Brexit is delayed until 2023, more effects will have become apparent and public opinion may have swung against Brexit

  • this is also one of the Brexiters fears
DGRossetti · 24/05/2018 11:42

public opinion may have swung against Brexit

May ?

I really don't see there being a majority for Brexit now. Bearing in mind the majority in 2016 definitely was not for "Brexit", but to "Leave the EU". It's not the Remain sides fault that these are two of the most ill defined terms since Piltdown man was a "fact" ....

Cantanker · 24/05/2018 11:57

I STILL find on mentioning Brexit to people, reasonably intelligent seeming people, that they have no idea that it is going badly.

DGRossetti · 24/05/2018 11:58

I STILL find on mentioning Brexit to people, reasonably intelligent seeming people, that they have no idea that it is going badly.

I guess that sort of cancels out the dead Leavers, and those people who think it's already happened then Hmm

mrsreynolds · 24/05/2018 13:03

Mum coming home later
Thank you for the good wishes
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lonelyplanetmum · 24/05/2018 13:04

From memory, any extension would have to be agreed by the EU27 ? That'll be fun...

At the end of the day the EU as an institution is generally astute, fair, tolerant, measured and reasonable, if a little understandably laborious at times.

If this 2023 extension request is happening, I think there will be reluctant agreement to something longer, but there will be a price to pay for that. So none of our ' because we're special' rebates etc.

lonelyplanetmum · 24/05/2018 13:08

Incidentally RTB's thread titles are always nailed before the end of the thread!

Amber alert- Amber goes by the end of the thread.

Stalling for time- looks like a request for time until 2023 coming from TM.

🏆 for RTB.

frumpety · 24/05/2018 13:22

Flowers mrsreynolds

I have noticed that two of the EU nurses I used to work with and still have on FB are leaving to work in Scandinavian countries, can't say I blame them.

PineappleSunrise · 24/05/2018 13:26

Red's threat titles are an object lesson in being able to predict the direction of Brexit travel through paying attention to what's actually happening, not to hot air and spin. (Thanks, Red.)

mrsreynolds · 24/05/2018 14:00

Our Dr surgery is having 2 posh new consulting rooms built!

....no Drs to go in them sadly but...

BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2018 14:14

The public are expecting that the govt will "muddle through" in the end
probably many are no longer expecting unicorns, just not that things will be noticeably worse for them

For those boomers on final salary pensions, owning their own home etc, probably nothing will change, barring a total Brexit catastrophe,
because the Tories will protect their core demographic, of whom 85% actually vote.

They will support house prices if they start to really fall
and they'll give tax cuts to the better off, to counteract any increase in the cost of living

However, the younger generations and the boomers who missed out, anyone on low income or needing public services … they should be very worried

Cantanker · 24/05/2018 14:20

In the UK little value seems to be put on living in a decent fair society, with low crime, no people sleeping on the street or living in terrible conditions, decent infrastructure, etc. Do rich people really prefer to live in a less happy and pleasant country where they pay less in taxes?

BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2018 14:28

Um, the evidence shows they do
Especially those insanely rich oligarchs who brought us Brexit so they could loot even more wealth from ordinary people

and they persuade the poorer turkeys to vote for Christmas

Tanith · 24/05/2018 16:29

surreylibdems.org.uk/en/article/2018/1266330/surrey-s-conservative-councillors-award-themselves-a-pay-rise-but-promise-huge-cuts-to-county-council-services

This link was posted on a local message board.

Surrey CC have been mentioned on here more than once due to their “Gentlemen’s Agreement” with the Government and their near bankruptcy.

They have also recently failed their Ofsted inspection again with Ofsted commenting that they were putting children at risk:
www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/apologies-after-alarming-ofsted-report-14665308.amp

However, I shall sleep so much easier knowing that those poor Councillors won’t be reduced to applying to the food banks... HmmAngry

Hasenstein · 24/05/2018 17:17

Tanith

"However, I shall sleep so much easier knowing that those poor Councillors won’t be reduced to applying to the food banks... hmmangry"

I'm a trustee of our local foodbank and find people always react with amazement that such things are needed in "leafy Surrey". Plenty of hard-pressed people here, but they're sandwiched between the very people who vote for the ultra-dodgy David Hodges, so they are ignored.

Meanwhile, the council pat themselves on the back for keeping council tax rises down (without telling anyone how they're doing it) and slip out yet another pay rise. From county to national level, good governance seems hard to find.

mrsreynolds · 24/05/2018 17:25

I find out tomorrow if ive been successful in my proposal for a food bank for my town.
I'm also currently putting together a free holiday lunch club during the holidays once a week.
It's 21st century uk.
And it's a disgrace.

DGRossetti · 24/05/2018 17:28

UK threatens to take it's ball home...

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/24/ongoing_game_of_galileo_chicken_taken_up_a_notch_as_uk_talks_refunds/

The Galileo "Yo Momma"-style war of words got angrier today with the UK threatening to recover its investment in the EU's satellite project.

In a technical note, UK participation in Galileo (PDF), which is best read out loud in a high-pitched warbly voice, the UK again reiterated its position on the project.

For those not keeping up at the back, Blighty once again stated it will go it alone if it has to, but excluding the UK will be detrimental to the Galileo programme to the tune of €1bn.

(contd)

Aerospace stories tend to bleed across the pond, and occasionally prompt my DB to drop me a line. Apparently his colleagues can't understand why the UK was so insistent it had to leave, and is now busy trying to get back into most things - a real quote being it's like you guys didn't really know what you were getting yourselves into ...

DGRossetti · 24/05/2018 17:29

(and as always, El Reg commentards outdo themselves Grin )

woman11017 · 24/05/2018 17:38

Brexit latest: Prisoners on day release to plug workforce gaps after Britain leaves EU
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-latest-prisoners-on-day-release-to-plug-workforce-gaps-after-britain-leaves-eu-a3847551.html
it's a disgrace
It is. And fingers crossed for your proposal. Food banks are life savers.

DGRossetti · 24/05/2018 17:41

Brexit latest: Prisoners on day release to plug workforce gaps after Britain leaves EU

Bit of a slap in the face for the unemployed, no ?

Also has a whiff of forced labour about it.

Now the Labour party I never joined in the 1980s would have been all over this. I wonder where they are now ? Probably discussing the deckchair arrangements ....

DarlingNikita · 24/05/2018 17:41

Brexit latest: Prisoners on day release to plug workforce gaps after Britain leaves EU

I genuinely thought that was going to be a Rochdale Herald story. Shock

DGRossetti · 24/05/2018 17:44

Just caught that the Brexit latest: Prisoners on day release to plug workforce gaps after Britain leaves EU story is courtesy of the Standard. So has been personally approved by George Osborne.

(There is a story doing the rounds that one of his sub editors pointed out there was no need for George to go over every single Brexit piece, to which the answer was: I know. But I like to. Grin)

woman11017 · 24/05/2018 17:45

Must be a lot of doctors, nurses and engineers in jail; there are quite a few in british deportation camps though.
Remember that bit in 'The Death of Stalin' when there were no doctors as they'd all been sent to Siberia........

DGRossetti · 24/05/2018 17:52

Remember that bit in 'The Death of Stalin' when there were no doctors as they'd all been sent to Siberia........

Smile

Life imitates art ....

Of course the first question to ask, is if these prisoners are OK doing day release work post-Brexit, then what the hell were they doing locked up pre-Brexit ?

Maybe there's some fake news potential here.

BREXIT: TORIES PLAN PRISONER AMNESTY AFTER BREXIT TO SAVE COUNTRY.

Whose going to run that one up Twitter ?