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Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2018 18:42

British politics and media in a nutshell.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_effect_(psychology)#Political_beliefs

No EU progress, no discussion. Just this. Keep everyone in line by bouncing boomerangs.

Disaster capitalism looms, they just have to get us to the edge of the cliff before the centre reforms. That's it.

If the legal roads to stop Brexit are closed as David Allen Green says, then how do you force the political flood gates to open, especially with both the far left and the far right using micro-aggression against the public to keep the centre ground weak?

Answers on a ballot paper on 3rd May.

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mrsreynolds · 09/04/2018 12:34

Spent all morning making phone calls about starting a food bank in my village.

I'm so fucking angry it's even necessary to have one.

I'm also planning on a summer lunch club for fsm kids at local schools.

Fuck the Tories

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2018 13:13

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/04/09/look-to-hungary-if-you-want-to-know-what-you-re-fighting-aga
Look to Hungary if you want to know what you're fighting against

Minor point.

No one knows what the hell liberalism is any more.

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Cailleach1 · 09/04/2018 14:12

Maybe TM has a plan. If you want a job done, ..... . Omnipresent at all of the 499Km.

twitter.com/BorderIrish

Cailleach1 · 09/04/2018 14:16

oh, the photo didn't copy. It is from Apr 2nd. TM doing the Marshalling.

twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/980865936080109569

DGRossetti · 09/04/2018 14:40

Maybe TM has a plan.

She has. I've seen it.

Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs
Cailleach1 · 09/04/2018 15:09

The involvement of all the nuts would be about right. The one in that plan are constructively functional, though. So maybe not quite so apt.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2018 15:42

Some of those, who think Brexit won't hurt them, need to think again:

Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs
RedToothBrush · 09/04/2018 15:52

Owen Jones @ owenjones1984
Fidesz began as a 'centrist' liberal party. It's still in the Centrist Democrat International.

Austria's far right Freedom Party was in the Liberal International until 1993.

In 1920s Italy and 1930s Germany self-described 'liberals' aided and abetted the rise of the far-right.

Just parking this right here...

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Hasenstein · 09/04/2018 15:58

Mrs Reynolds

I'm a trustee of our local food bank and it makes me spitting mad that we even need one. It's weird to think that you work for an organisation where its successful operation actually represents a symbol of failure. I put regular articles in our local mag reporting on the Bad News that that food bank is feeding an increasing number of people.

Still, at least knowing that Mogg finds them "uplifting" helps to keep me going.Hmm

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2018 16:01

Owen Jones @ owenjones1984
^Germany's Centre Party voted for Adolf Hitler's Enabling Act on the basis they'd get concessions from the Nazis and somehow contain them.

Italy's Liberal Party thought they could assimilate the Fascists - and formed an electoral alliance with them.^

The history here is not good.

I do hope we also get a history lesson about the left from Mr 1984.

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RedToothBrush · 09/04/2018 16:06

Dave @ daveonesixnine
Apparently Labour should move to capture the left-wing authoritarian vote (which is indeed the most underrepresented, but yeesh...)

Owen Jones @ owenjones1984
No, I'm a left-wing anti-authoritarianism, and I would note that Corbyn and McDonnell consistently voted against all of New Labour's authoritarian anti-civil liberties legislation?

Dave @ daveonesixnine
Then why do you equate liberalism with centrism?

You support trans rights and immigration.

You and @iandunt are surely on the same side, opposed to Orban.

As I say, no one has a fucking clue what liberalism is anymore.

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DGRossetti · 09/04/2018 16:08

Germany's Centre Party voted for Adolf Hitler's Enabling Act on the basis they'd get concessions from the Nazis and somehow contain them.

The phrase being something like we'll push Hitler so far into a corner he'll squeak, if my history is correct (and if it is, it was von Pappen ... or Hindenburg ?)

(I'm sure that's related to a quote from Churchill which goes: Some chicken ! Some neck ! Hmm)

Cailleach1 · 09/04/2018 16:24

Interesting times for the release of Edward Burke's book 'An Army of Tribes: British Army Cohesion, Deviancy and Murder in Northern Ireland'. The book explores the autonomy of the British army in NI.

Patrick Kielty's programme just touched on the presence of the pain in NI. Additionally to the paramilitaries on all sides, the addition of the state maybe not such a benign actor for 'non-Unionists'.

I hadn't come across the story of the random murder of MIchael Naan and Andrew Murray who were killed with pitchforks by British Army soldiers. It was thought at the time to be revenge for an IRA murder of the brother of a soldier.

The murders were not connected, however, and the killers were only exposed because an ex-soldier was effected by the Yorkshire Ripper's brutality. So, he became a whistle blower wrt the 'pitchfork' murders. Two soldiers were jailed for life and two others pleaded guilty to lesser roles.

twitter.com/edward__burke/status/963005144324628480?lang=en

www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/three-killings-which-left-a-border-community-reeling-1.2841418

Makes you wonder where were the programmes about NI were before. And how the GFA and border issues are being ignored in Brexit. So much has been achieved on a road to normalisation.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2018 19:17

The dog(s) that didn't bark in the night …

Strange silence from business.
Any manufacturer dependant on JIT logistics, or exporting to the EU,
should be screaming at the top of their lungs, since the govt is not listening to them (or to anyone not sharing the unicorn beliefs)

But they don‘t.
Don’t they care, or don’t they dare ?
(or are they as ignorant as the govt ?)

imo, some are quietly preparing to relocate in part / in full, but others believe in unicorns.
What are the proportions ? Only the post-Brexit bankruptcies / profit crashes will reveal that.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2018 21:25

amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/09/barry-gardiner-good-friday-deal-played-up-for-economic-reasons-labour-brexit-hard-border-paramilitary?__twitter_impression=true
Barry Gardiner: Good Friday deal 'played up' for economic reasons
Labour MP says no reason to fear a post-Brexit hard border leading to return of paramilitary activity

No words except 'Patrick Kielty'.

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Sostenueto · 09/04/2018 21:54

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GreenEyedGoose · 09/04/2018 22:13

I've just watched the Patrick Kielty documentary tonight.

He cannot truly believe the shite he's saying nothing to fear from a hard border between NI and RoI

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 09/04/2018 22:26

FBI raid on Trump Lawyer Cohen's offices.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 09/04/2018 22:29

On the raid, an interesting tidbit from Carole Cadwalladr
twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/983455998655463425

BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2018 22:43

Same law for all ?
We shall see

Bafflement over Tory MP's admission she hacked Harriet Harman's website

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/09/bafflement-over-tory-mps-admission-she-hacked-harriet-harmans-website

Former hacktivists have reacted with bafflement after the Conservative MP Kemi Badenoch admitted that she hacked Harriet Harman’s website in 2008.

Badenoch confessed to the hack, which carried a jail sentence of up to five years at the time she acted,
in response to a question about the “naughtiest” thing she had done.

For other politically motivated hackers, breaching the Computer Misuse Act has had serious consequences.

“Considering others have been prosecuted for similar, juvenile attacks on websites, I’ll be curious to see if the law will be applied equally in this case”

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2018 22:43

Mueller gets to look at client - lawyer confidential messages because of stormy daniels. Or course if anything else illegal crops up...

Mueller is treating this like a mafia ring. He's going for the minor indiscretion line rather than the russia line to get a foot in.

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2018 22:56

May's "hostile environment"

Another of the Windrush kids, now elderly, hasn't the documentation to prove he's British
So loses the job he loves

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/09/special-needs-teacher-uk-50-years-loses-job-immigration-status

I posted before about denial of cancer treatment to this Windrush immigrant:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2018 23:03

Jeremy Duns @ jeremyduns
Wait until someone tells Owen about the Nazi-Soviet pact.

Can't wait for Owen's next book. 'Selective political history of Europe'. Almost as good as 'The Empire' by Johnson, Fox and Hannan.

Coming soon to a school near you. Along with 'Modern Biology'.

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OlennasWimple · 09/04/2018 23:36

Just placemat kinging

HesterThrale · 10/04/2018 00:52

MPs lying, misleading and giving false impressions in Parliament has got us into all sorts of problems. It should be illegal, as in some other nations.

Two weeks to get enough signatures to elicit a response from Parliament about this:

Make it illegal for any MP to lie in parliament or knowingly deceive the public.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/203502

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