Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs

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British politics and media in a nutshell.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_effect_(psychology)#Political_beliefs

No EU progress, no discussion. Just this. Keep everyone in line by bouncing boomerangs.

Disaster capitalism looms, they just have to get us to the edge of the cliff before the centre reforms. That's it.

If the legal roads to stop Brexit are closed as David Allen Green says, then how do you force the political flood gates to open, especially with both the far left and the far right using micro-aggression against the public to keep the centre ground weak?

Answers on a ballot paper on 3rd May.

P. North uses that language because he is a racist cockwomble

Who knows what will happen?
Teresa has been walking again....

What has Theresa said she will not do? That's what will happen!

The crucial U-turn which we need her to stick to - she keeps going back on it - and SIGN - is re the NI border issue.

A trade border between NI and either the RoI or rUK would be disastrous.
So she needs to sign up first to the "backstop" of no border with the RoI,
then for an EEA / EFTA type deal

However, she needs to U-turn quickly, because even the "off-the-shelf" EEA / EFTA will take concentrated negotiation on terms to make it painless less painful for the UK economy

We have to ask ourselves how did Farage and UKIP manage to cause such a tsunami that both the Tories and to a lesser extent Labour were scared witless by him; enough to get the Referendum and get the country into the mess it's in now?

FPTP - where there's no prize for coming second.

Not that there was ever a prospect of a UKIP revolution returning 327 MPs to Westminster.

A:
But under FPTP a vote for UKIP is not a vote for Tory - meaning Labour could get in.

But under FPTP a vote for UKIP is not a vote for Labour - meaning Tory could get in.

B: GOTO A

Have I missed something? Is Pete North pretending to be a centrist?!

Had friends from NZ staying with us last night. They were pointing out that NZ has found new, more local markets since the UK joined the EEC in the 1970s - and laughed at the idea that NZ would be falling over itself to do business with us. Their markets are now primarily China and SE Asia. They said it had been painful back then (although the transition period had helped) - but they've moved on from they said it, not me putting words in their mouth from their colonial past.

Interestingly - as a now retired beef farmer, he said that the best thing that had happened to NZ farming had been the withdrawal of subsidies, which they'd been effectively forced into back then (although he'd only have been a teenager back then - but his dad would've been affected). He said that they learnt to farm better and more efficiently.

He wasn't impressed to hear of the Ozzie proposals to force the UK to accept hormone beefed up (sorry 😂) "enhanced" beef.

Belated place mat king 🎣🐟👑

*We have to ask ourselves how did UKIP manage to create such a Tsunami
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The reality is that they didn't.They created a threat of a Tsunami which is different.

Obviously the Daily Vile etc provided the manure where UKIP views could grow. My personal view is that UKIP was able to capitalise on the anti EU momentum fuelled by the Referendum party. It outperformed UKIP in the mid 1990's.When Goldsmith senior failed to win a seat and his party failed (and he was terminally ill) then many supporters consolidated into UKIP. At least when there were two of these fringe parties, that anti EU/immigrant vote was split and so was less of a threat to leeching voters and seats from the main parties.

I'm very worried that under FPTP any new centrist party will be the same. It will just split the pro EU vote. Unless a new party builds support then does a pre election pact with the LibDems or merges to create a New SDLP type party?

Thought this article was depressingly interesting on the historical role the Referendum party played.it also explains why there's little point writing to my own MP!

www.spectator.co.uk/2015/02/zac-goldsmith-how-my-dad-saved-britain/

They were pointing out that NZ has found new, more local markets

Do we know if that 'top' chief trade negotiation adviser to Liam Fox still in place? Crawford Falconer? Securing his services was greatly heralded as a key appointment last year.

He is from NZ too. He was part of the Legatum team then appointed by Liam Fox?

He could advise (drum roll ) on finding local markets like NZ did. Although,unlike Pretty's friend, I read he is greatly in favour of scrapping all regulations in exchange for getting any deal from any countries who can bear to transact with us.

There is an argument to be made that ahead of politicians failing us, it's own own political system which has.

FPTP simply isn't fit for purpose anymore. You can't expect the 98 people who didn't vote for a candidate who got 2 votes (because they all voted for other candidates) to "get behind" the winner.

FFS, you can't get (a minimum) 0f 49% of the people behind Brexit.

I'm starting to wonder if this is why we're seeing an uptick in religion in politics. To try and give the losing side an edge ?????

Lonelyplanetmum - don't know enough about him but maybe that's why he left NZ . Pesky experts farmers not wanting to feed/inject their animals with hormones/wash their chickens with chlorine, just so that they can increase poor quality production.

The NZ farmers promote the fact that their cows and sheep are fully grass fed (in fact, we had an interesting side discussion on why you don't see daffodils naturalised in NZ as the grass would grown too tall even in early spring to see them ), for both meat and dairy products which would be ruined if you then pumped them full of hormones.

Back in the 1970s, when I was planning to go to Uni, I was repeatedly told "not to get ideas above my station"

I grew up working class and was at school rather later than , in the late 80s. I wanted to do A Levels and then go to uni and my mum (in her early 70s now) told me this same thing. Who did I think I was, education wasn't for the likes of us etc.

So, sadly, these attitudes are not tied to one particular generation. I think they have a lot to do with class, as well as expectations and upbringing.

My dad is from a very similar background to my mum (large poor working-class families), but he was academic and went to Oxbridge. With state support for the finances, yes, but also with the support of his family, who didn't/don't have the same chip on their shoulders that my mum's family do about education. He stood up for me and I was allowed to do A levels and a degree, but it caused a lot of trouble in our household.

So:

1. The NZ economy survived after we ditched them by securing favourable trade - with. their. neighbours.

1. NZ meat industry prides itself on not using hormone accelerated growth and avoiding pathogens that need to be killed by chlorine.

And oh the irony, our lead trade negotiator comes from NZ . He is behind our pursuit of trade deals with countries that are not our immediate neighbours and which will require us to produce and receive less health meat.

This debacle really is the gift that keeps giving.

That seems it in a nutshell lonelyplanetmum

And again

Opinium-IPPR Poll

Fox & the govt better think again about his "quick wins": the public hate the kind of Desperate Deals being discussed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-theresa-may-us-uk-eu-chlorine-chicken-food-safety-standards-poll-a8292496.html

When asked whether ditching current standards would be a price worth paying for a deal,
a full 82 per cent of the public said keeping current regulations in place should take priority – even if they killed a deal –

compared to just 8 per cent who said a free trade agreement with the US should go ahead.

Leave and Remain voters are equally opposed to any reduction in food standards
So not just "mc Remainer angst"

misti if Pete North is a centrist then the overtones window has not only shifted but it's smashed remains are shattered all over the pavement

Leave and Remain voters are equally opposed to any reduction in food standards

Despite Remain telling Leave it was a definite possibility before the vote.

It's for reasons like this that Leave simply can't emerge as looking clever ....

Don't be silly, DGR

That was Project Fear and therefore not to be believed

That was Project Fear and therefore not to be believed

True.

However, we are now in a situation where Leavers are forever condemned to having to say "that's not what we meant" whenever a proposal about Brexit is made. Eventually they'll wear out ...

^ It seems to be a situation in which minimum standards = good but regulations = bad - without some people accepting that you only get minimum standards through regulation. All that guff about the EU tying everything up in red ? Maybe people are beginning to realise there was a point to it. Perhaps they will also start to realise that we can't trade with the SM without maintaining those minimum standards rather than just banging on about tit-for-tat tariffs - although that degree of awareness does seem to have eluded even the government.

"although that degree of awareness does seem to have eluded even^ in particular^ the government."

We've established there are a few of us ancient vintage Westministenders - who voted Remain the first time round too -who are delighted with the amazingly young red (cheering her up again ) and her amazing threads.

Refusing to engage brain is the fault of the individual, not their age
Their brain was probably stuck in idle mode during their youth too

I think red deserves a 🏅